Huck VS Povetkin

lurkyshaka · Post by **lurkyshaka** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:55 am

marciano1952 wrote:
lurkyshaka wrote:
marciano1952 wrote: Haye can only Dream of having the same level of Courage as Marco Huck.....
Explain.....give some rationale behind that blanket statement?
running and Flopping all over the Ring in the biggest fight of your life isnt enough of a sign for you?

Again why in your opinion has Marco Huck got more courage than Haye? What has Huck done so valiant in direct comparison to Haye, since you chose to make that comparison?

marciano1952 · Post by **marciano1952** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:11 am

no matter what i say your gonna disagree so why even bother?....its clear as day to me but you will never see it so again why even bother?

lurkyshaka · Post by **lurkyshaka** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:52 pm

marciano1952 wrote:no matter what i say your gonna disagree so why even bother?....its clear as day to me but you will never see it so again why even bother?

No Marc....I'm asking a straight question.

You made the statement that Haye could only dream of having the courage that Marco Huck has. I'm just asking for you to back up that opinion with some rationale. Thats all.

If you can't really justify your statement with actual facts and are going more on a hunch....well that's fair enough, but just say that.

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:00 pm

Povetkin is probbaly the toughest test in Huck`s career. He didn't try to play it safe by using a shitload of footwork and casual straight punches, he faced that test head first, going in the trech and trading with a bigger man. Can't say that about Haye. That might be what marc was trying to say.

Anyway i think you guys clearly don't see these 2 fighters with the same eye so i guess you guys can agree to disagree because discussing it will clearly not help!!

Good fight though!! really enjoyed the short bits i've seen. Kind of went how i expected with Huck being busier, using more footwork and straight punches than povetkin. Huck was also able to land his traademark clubbing straight right to the back and lateral part of povetkin`s head all night... Povetkin showed some limitation but ultimately, did pretty well against a VERY agressive huck.

Got to respect huck`s heart and determination in this one. he almost looked like he could still fight

lurkyshaka · Post by **lurkyshaka** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:11 pm

the13r wrote:Povetkin is probbaly the toughest test in Huck`s career. He didn't try to play it safe by using a shitload of footwork and casual straight punches, he faced that test head first, going in the trech and trading with a bigger man. Can't say that about Haye. That might be what marc was trying to say.

Anyway i think you guys clearly don't see these 2 fighters with the same eye so i guess you guys can agree to disagree because discussing it will clearly not help!!

Good fight though!! really enjoyed the short bits i've seen. Kind of went how i expected with Huck being busier, using more footwork and straight punches than povetkin. Huck was also able to land his traademark clubbing straight right to the back and lateral part of povetkin`s head all night... Povetkin showed some limitation but ultimately, did pretty well against a VERY agressive huck.

Got to respect huck`s heart and determination in this one. he almost looked like he could still fight

I've nothing against Huck.....i don't doubt his heart atall.

But Haye's shown courage plenty of times during his career, overcoming bad cuts and KD's to prevail. He won two world titles away from home so nobody can ever claim he's had it all his own way.

Huck did take the fight to Povetkin.....but as i said prior Povetkin is really nothing special. Huck taking the fight to Povetkin doesn't prove he's got more courage than Haye and that's my point.

And while i don't have anything against Huck....indeed i was rooting for him to win. Its fair to suggest that Marc does dislike Haye.

So if Marc wants to offer some genuine rationale why Huch has more courage than Haye i'd be interested to hear it. But i suspect its just a hunch he's got, based as much on his dislike of Haye as anything Huck's shown thus far in his career.

Erison · Post by **Erison** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:13 pm

I think Povetkin is as good as anyone Haye has faced, and Huck overcame the size difference to fight harder and with more courage than Haye ever has. I'm also a Wlad fan, so this will not be responded to with any sanity, and I am wasting my time.

marciano1952 · Post by **marciano1952** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:46 pm

Huck never ran from povetkin, he never flopped whenever povetkin got in range, he made no excusses and went to war with povetkin.....non of those things can be said about haye once he moved up to heavyweight.....povetkin is also better than anyone haye ever beat at heavyweight

marciano1952 · Post by **marciano1952** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:47 pm

Huck never ran from povetkin, he never flopped whenever povetkin got in range, he made no excusses and went to war with povetkin.....non of those things can be said about haye once he moved up to heavyweight.....povetkin is also better than anyone haye ever beat at heavyweight

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:46 pm

light heavyweight
Robert Woge 6(5)-0-0
vs
Roberto Cocco 10(5)-8(3)-1

Woge stops Coco in 7

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the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:54 pm

middleweight
Marcos Nader 14(2)-0-0
vs
Baker Barakat 36(24)-11(5)-4

Nader wins by UD
Barakat absorbing massive amounts of punishment

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Nader is a lenghty agressive offensive oriented fighter. His right is pretty good and he has a combo arsenal of punches for any situations, even on the inside where its tougher for a fighter with a better than average reach. SO far his main problem is being overconfident and overcomitting on his combos, having both hands down often at the same time, which is perfect for a compact counter hook... Even Barakat who is pretty limited was able to tag him with hooks that were followed by a straight right...

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:04 pm

heavyweight
Edmund Gerber 18(12)-0-0
vs
Oleksiy Mazikin 17(4)-6(3)-2

Mazikin quit after the 5th
looked like Gerber broke Mazikin's ribs with that right

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the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:22 pm

light middleweight
Jack Culcay 10(6)-0-0
vs
Salvatore Annunziata 15(3)-5(2)-4

Culcay wins by 7th round TKO
As soon as he letted his hands go he finished him
Culcay still looked rusty and a little passive, but Annunziata is a tough MF

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the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:54 pm

Povetkin wins by Decision

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lurkyshaka · Post by **lurkyshaka** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:41 am

Erison wrote:I think Povetkin is as good as anyone Haye has faced, and Huck overcame the size difference to fight harder and with more courage than Haye ever has. I'm also a Wlad fan, so this will not be responded to with any sanity, and I am wasting my time.

Povetkin is a smallish, fat heavyweight who is easy to hit and can be hurt as we saw against the likes of Eddie Chambers and Huck.

Showing 'courage' by being effective against Povetkin is one thing. Wonder how effective Huck would be against Klitschko.

The comparison and talk of 'courage' is ridiculous. Huck showed mettle the other night and Haye has shown mettle plenty of times too. I'm not bashing Huck, but you will continue to bash Haye.

Erison · Post by **Erison** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:06 pm

Huck wouldn't fare to well against either Klitschko, but he'd come forward, and try, like Adamek before a late rounds mercy stoppage. But he'd be pressing trying to something happen, which is commendable.

I can only think of a few times I've seen Haye overcome adversity, or even try to, and they were all against smaller opponents.

lurkyshaka · Post by **lurkyshaka** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:28 pm

Erison wrote:Huck wouldn't fare to well against either Klitschko, but he'd come forward, and try, like Adamek before a late rounds mercy stoppage. But he'd be pressing trying to something happen, which is commendable.

Did i miss a Huck/Klitschko fight? Has this already happened or something??

Your comment is purely personal opinion on how a fight may go, and nothing more than that. So save commending Marco for gamely pressing the action against a Klitschko till....well maybe he's actually done so!

And regarding Adamek.....he took a one sided hammering and bravely took his lumps for sure. But he was on the outside all night long and wasn't pressing forward as you imply. Instead he stuck at range and tried using lateral movement to find openings.

He in fact fought a similar type fight against Vitali, to the one Haye fought against Wlad. The difference being that Thomas lacked the speed or defensive ability to avoid the punishment coming at him, though he can justifiably claim he fought gamely cos he absorbed a lot of punishment.

Erison · Post by **Erison** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:52 pm

lurkyshaka wrote:Your comment is purely personal opinion on how a fight may go, and nothing more than that.

Uhh, exactly...

lurkyshaka · Post by **lurkyshaka** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:17 pm

Erison wrote:
lurkyshaka wrote:Your comment is purely personal opinion on how a fight may go, and nothing more than that.
Uhh, exactly...

You were talking about commending someone in a fight that's never been fought, as proof the guy has more courage than Haye.....That's quite a reach to validate your opinion.

If you want to talk about one fighter having more courage than another....then you really ought to back that up with something a little bit more concrete than how an imaginary fight might go!

You also talked a right load of bollocks about how Adamek came forward against Vitali, when that simply wasn't the way it went as a look at the video will show.....but hey maybe you never actually watched the fight.

Erison · Post by **Erison** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:29 pm

You're the one trying to get on a platform, posting paragraphs about fucking David Haye. Is this seriously still relevant? And acting like this is a court case where opinions don't matter? What do you think this website is?

Huck has shown he can overcome adversity, press the action, and just took the fight (and wore down) a heavyweight champion. And IN MY OPINION, Huck would press the action against Vitali. Which is my extrapolation based on the past.

chef97 · Post by **chef97** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:50 pm

the13r wrote:light middleweight
Jack Culcay 10(6)-0-0
vs
Salvatore Annunziata 15(3)-5(2)-4

Culcay wins by 7th round TKO
As soon as he letted his hands go he finished him
Culcay still looked rusty and a little passive, but Annunziata is a tough MF

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Once Culcay had his guy hurt he didn't let him off the hook....

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:06 pm

Culcay is the total package, i just hope his career is handled properly... he seem to be pretty inactive lately... He is one of the most talented prospects in boxing right now.

marciano1952 · Post by **marciano1952** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:38 pm

the13r wrote:Culcay is the total package, i just hope his career is handled properly... he seem to be pretty inactive lately... He is one of the most talented prospects in boxing right now.

He is another that left universum to join sourland so I think we will see more of him now

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:09 pm

Good news, thanks marciano for keeping me updated

lurkyshaka · Post by **lurkyshaka** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:32 am

Erison wrote:You're the one trying to get on a platform, posting paragraphs about fucking David Haye. Is this seriously still relevant? And acting like this is a court case where opinions don't matter? What do you think this website is?

Huck has shown he can overcome adversity, press the action, and just took the fight (and wore down) a heavyweight champion. And IN MY OPINION, Huck would press the action against Vitali. Which is my extrapolation based on the past.

What?...But I didn't bring up Haye on this thread.....others did.

And your opinion that Huck would press the action against Vitali would have a lot more credence if you'd at least been correct when referencing Adamek's fight against Vitali.

Instead you spoke of the way Adamek pressed, when in fact he didn't as anyone who watched the fight would know.

Erison · Post by **Erison** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:07 am

lurkyshaka wrote:And your opinion that Huck would press the action against Vitali would have a lot more credence if you'd at least been correct when referencing Adamek's fight against Vitali.

So wait, my opinion on a fight between two fighters would have more merit if an irrelevant fight with a different fighter played out in a way that you and I agreed on? How does that make sense?

If I had said Sam Peter instead, who pressed forward every second of every round, would you have thought "Ah well, Erison has a point there."? Because I highly doubt it. I admit replacing the word "trying" with "pressing" made it sound like I'm implying Adamek was forcing Vitali back, and that's poor wording on my part. I think you just have a knee jerk reaction to whenever you see someone insult Haye. (as you'll do this post). But I'd like to formally invite you to not respond to this. Think about it, in a world where you weren't bound to Haye internet integrity. Where you could read something, and click to another page. Total freedom. What a world that would be.

Or you could call me a nonce again. Go ahead, that was cute.