What are your thought on Valuev and what he can acomplish?

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:08 pm

DO you rank valuev in your top5 best heavy?

which champ he has a good chance of beating?

Nicolay Valuev Vs Jameel McCline

Nicolay Valuev Vs Taras Bidenko

Erison · Post by **Erison** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:11 pm

I think he'd beat Maskaev and I'd actually pick him over Peter. Perhaps he could use his height better in a rematch with Chagaev, but Ruslan seemed to have him figured out. I think Wlad would stop him, but I'd love to see it!

I like him, and I'd put him maybe at #5 in the top 10.

Mayz · Post by **Mayz** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:11 pm

Number 3. I think he beats everyone except Wlad and Chageav, although I give him a good chance against both.

Southpaw_uppercut · Post by **Southpaw_uppercut** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:12 pm

Valuev can compete and give any other top heavyweight out there a good fight.

I had him winning the Chagaev fight by a slim margin too, but right now I say if Peter does win against Maskaev which i think he will, thats the perfect match-up for Valuev.

marciano1952 · Post by **marciano1952** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:14 pm

I think he could beat any of the title holders or contenders except Wlad but tjatys the fight I would like to see

novakstep · Post by **novakstep** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:34 pm

I think he loses to all the present title holders. Don't rate him at all.

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:44 am

Since i saw his previous fight against Bergeron,

i know Valuev can still be boring and unimpressive, so i wont rate him in my top5, but if he boxes like he did last friday, he can beat a lot of heavyweights right now... But Lyakovic made it easy by not moving and not throwing on the inside.

Bertel1 · Post by **Bertel1** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:00 pm

Was the fight w/ Sergie compeitive, or did Valuev blow him out? I figured Sergie would lose based off of that Briggs performance.

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:02 pm

Bertel1 wrote:Was the fight w/ Sergie compeitive, or did Valuev blow him out? I figured Sergie would lose based off of that Briggs performance.

he did as much as against briggs, he stood there, ate some punches, didnt use his legs, didnt threw combos, basicaly stood there while valuev was applying pressure witha constant jab.

Bertel1 · Post by **Bertel1** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:06 pm

the13r wrote:
Bertel1 wrote:Was the fight w/ Sergie compeitive, or did Valuev blow him out? I figured Sergie would lose based off of that Briggs performance.
he did as much as against briggs, he stood there, ate some punches, didnt use his legs, didnt threw combos, basicaly stood there while valuev was applying pressure witha constant jab.

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Man I swear Sergie looked like a completely diff. fighter against Brewster. He was actually on his toes while Boxing, and his conditioning was great. I dunno what happened since then. I actually thought he'd have good potential. Seems like its safe to put Sergie on the "one hit wonder" list.

Thanks for the reply.

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:11 pm

Bertel1 wrote:
the13r wrote:
Bertel1 wrote:Was the fight w/ Sergie compeitive, or did Valuev blow him out? I figured Sergie would lose based off of that Briggs performance.
he did as much as against briggs, he stood there, ate some punches, didnt use his legs, didnt threw combos, basicaly stood there while valuev was applying pressure witha constant jab.
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Man I swear Sergie looked like a completely diff. fighter against Brewster. He was actually on his toes while Boxing, and his considitioning was great. I dunno what happened since then. I actually thought he'd have good potential. Seems like its safe to put Sergie on the "one hit wonder" list.

Thanks for the reply.

i was also thinking he had finally emerge as one of teh top heavy after the brewster fight

HES DONE

gotiye · Post by **gotiye** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:14 pm

valuev is much better than most boxing fans give him credit for. for a guy that big he has good foot movement, good stamina, and a good workrate........................
he's capable of beating almost any current heavyweight right now. faster guys may give more issues more than anything else but from the looks of it you have to be complete to beat him....................

the13r · Post by **the13r** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:17 pm

gotiye wrote:valuev is much better than most boxing fans give him credit for. for a guy that big he has good foot movement, good stamina, and a good workrate........................
he's capable of beating almost any current heavyweight right now. faster guys may give more issues more than anything else but from the looks of it you have to be complete to beat him....................

i dont agree, he looekd great against a guy who didnt move, but against a B fighter who moved a lot (bergeron) , he looke dlike shit...

lyakovic made him look better than he was. he was there to hit all night

boxingfan1984 · Post by **boxingfan1984** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:19 pm

He is huge, a decent boxer, and in a weak division, i can see hin realing off a lot of defenses when he gets a title back. I feel he will be a 2-3 time champ and I feel that he will be HoF level.

Mayz · Post by **Mayz** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:23 pm

gotiye wrote:valuev is much better than most boxing fans give him credit for. for a guy that big he has good foot movement, good stamina, and a good workrate........................
he's capable of beating almost any current heavyweight right now. faster guys may give more issues more than anything else but from the looks of it you have to be complete to beat him....................

Yeah, Chageav fought a perfect gameplan to beat Valuev and imo Chageav is a pretty complete boxer. I don't see 'any old joe' beating Valuev, he'll give anyone more than enough trouble.

gotiye · Post by **gotiye** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:36 pm

the13r wrote:
gotiye wrote:valuev is much better than most boxing fans give him credit for. for a guy that big he has good foot movement, good stamina, and a good workrate........................
he's capable of beating almost any current heavyweight right now. faster guys may give more issues more than anything else but from the looks of it you have to be complete to beat him....................
i dont agree, he looekd great against a guy who didnt move, but against a B fighter who moved a lot (bergeron) , he looke dlike shit...

lyakovic made him look better than he was. he was there to hit all night

your statement pretty much agrees with mine. you said the same thing I did that movers give him issues................

Bertel1 · Post by **Bertel1** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:52 pm

I've only seen Valuev in action twice.(Barrett/Chag.) He's consistent, and he can take a good punch. Doesnt have alot of power though considering his size. For a large man his workrate is above average.

jeff_lacy_ko · Post by **jeff_lacy_ko** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:44 pm

I think this division is pretty clear as far as ranking:

Wlad
Chagaev
Valuev

After that its kinda who knows. Those three beat the rest, and the rest will constantly be beating each other for a paper belt or two.

kinggrissly · Post by **kinggrissly** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:15 pm

I find it hard to be impresssed when he's fighting guys he outweighs by 100 or so pounds.

marciano1952 · Post by **marciano1952** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:17 pm

kinggrissly wrote:I find it hard to be impresssed when he's fighting guys he outweighs by 100 or so pounds.

time for him to all out Butterbean LOL

kinggrissly · Post by **kinggrissly** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:33 pm

marciano1952 wrote:
kinggrissly wrote:I find it hard to be impresssed when he's fighting guys he outweighs by 100 or so pounds.
time for him to all out Butterbean LOL

Oh he would school Butterbean. I have no respect for Bean either, but it seems a little more fair because of how his weight is distributed.