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What really happened tonight? Was Wilder exposed as unskilled. or was Fury just brilliant?

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Or maybe a little of both?
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Wilder is unskilled but has power to KO 2nd and 3rd Tier Opponents.....Ortiz, Washington, Molina, Szpilka, etc...Worst Longtime Title Holder in years....His matchmakers were top notch bit Fooled the majority of the public...
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Both. Wilder's power is all time great. But I remember watching his pro debut in Nashville in 2008. He still fights EXACTLY the same as he did that night.
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FightFanAL wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:42 am Both. Wilder's power is all time great. But I remember watching his pro debut in Nashville in 2008. He still fights EXACTLY the same as he did that night.
You are exactly right about this. I see no change in him, no real development.
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Definitely both.

Wilder is an absolute bum. He hasn't won a round of boxing for years.

But Fury... He didn't need to knock Wilder out, he's 10000 times better. He CHOSE to.

Even though Wilder is a bum, Fury is rightfully the number 1 and Ring champ, you just do not know what he's going to do!
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When you have Wilder's pop, you have to impose it... he wasn't able to do it... Fury had the right gameplan
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He fell in love with his power after his last fight. Was looking for one shot from the get go and didn't try to set anything up. Fury mugged him.
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Wilder definitely wasn’t exposed because he’s always been a horrible boxer and everyone has known that for some time now

And Fury wasn’t brilliant tonight, but he very well may be from a general standpoint... he’s just a great fighter.

A great fighter outfought a great puncher who happens to box like an amateur.

No need to spin some manufactured narrative
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marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:41 am Wilder is unskilled but has power to KO 2nd and 3rd Tier Opponents.....Ortiz, Washington, Molina, Szpilka, etc...Worst Longtime Title Holder in years....His matchmakers were top notch bit Fooled the majority of the public...
Too far. He’s 2 fights removed from being 2 seconds away from knocking out the guy who just beat him tonight... the entire division is 2nd tier or lower outside of Fury... including AJ

The guy is very unskilled, but there were no smoke and mirrors with his career at all. Everyone always knew what he was/is. He didn’t land the punch that he’s NEEDED to land tonight and he lost to the best. It happens.
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He wasn't exposed because we all know he's shit already.

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ObJuan13 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:44 am
marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:41 am Wilder is unskilled but has power to KO 2nd and 3rd Tier Opponents.....Ortiz, Washington, Molina, Szpilka, etc...Worst Longtime Title Holder in years....His matchmakers were top notch bit Fooled the majority of the public...
Too far. He’s 2 fights removed from being 2 seconds away from knocking out the guy who just beat him tonight... the entire division is 2nd tier or lower outside of Fury... including AJ

The guy is very unskilled, but there were no smoke and mirrors with his career at all. Everyone always knew what he was/is. He didn’t land the punch that he’s NEEDED to land tonight and he lost to the best. It happens.
not to far at all.....if AJ is 2nd tier guess Wilder has been fighting 4th and 5th tier guys(Szpilka, Washington etc).....He is NOTHING but a right hand and Loses EVERY round he fight that he does not knock a fighter down, its a pretty pathetic display from him most of the time until he manages to land a right.....but Lucky for him his team Matched him extremly Smart up until the Fury fights(and he CLEARLY lost Both of them IMO)
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Mayz wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:45 am Definitely both.

Wilder is an absolute bum. He hasn't won a round of boxing for years.

But Fury... He didn't need to knock Wilder out, he's 10000 times better. He CHOSE to.

Even though Wilder is a bum, Fury is rightfully the number 1 and Ring champ, you just do not know what he's going to do!
One guy got knocked out by Any Ruiz. The other guy got knocked out by Tyson Fury. Who's the fucking bum.


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marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:38 am
ObJuan13 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:44 am
marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:41 am Wilder is unskilled but has power to KO 2nd and 3rd Tier Opponents.....Ortiz, Washington, Molina, Szpilka, etc...Worst Longtime Title Holder in years....His matchmakers were top notch bit Fooled the majority of the public...
Too far. He’s 2 fights removed from being 2 seconds away from knocking out the guy who just beat him tonight... the entire division is 2nd tier or lower outside of Fury... including AJ

The guy is very unskilled, but there were no smoke and mirrors with his career at all. Everyone always knew what he was/is. He didn’t land the punch that he’s NEEDED to land tonight and he lost to the best. It happens.
not to far at all.....if AJ is 2nd tier guess Wilder has been fighting 4th and 5th tier guys(Szpilka, Washington etc).....He is NOTHING but a right hand and Loses EVERY round he fight that he does not knock a fighter down, its a pretty pathetic display from him most of the time until he manages to land a right.....but Lucky for him his team Matched him extremly Smart up until the Fury fights(and he CLEARLY lost Both of them IMO)
This is literally his only loss... And who are all of these guys fighting 1st rate comp at HW??

There are no extremely smart match ups because extremely smart simply means anyone but Fury....
And this is his 2nd time fighting him mind you

So outside of Fury, who is this guy that he just can’t beat? The guy isn’t Seth Mitchell like you’re trying to make it seem... one trick pony of course but one trick that even Fury was nearly bested by
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Is Wilder a one trick pony? Yes, but he did something right along the way to hold a piece of the title. But considering how much everyone has shit on him I hope they dont count this a quality victory later when they try to compare Fury to other fighters..
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NoPropaganda 253 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:24 am
Mayz wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:45 am Definitely both.

Wilder is an absolute bum. He hasn't won a round of boxing for years.

But Fury... He didn't need to knock Wilder out, he's 10000 times better. He CHOSE to.

Even though Wilder is a bum, Fury is rightfully the number 1 and Ring champ, you just do not know what he's going to do!
One guy got knocked out by Any Ruiz. The other guy got knocked out by Tyson Fury. Who's the fucking bum.


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ObJuan13 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:25 am
marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:38 am
ObJuan13 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:44 am
Too far. He’s 2 fights removed from being 2 seconds away from knocking out the guy who just beat him tonight... the entire division is 2nd tier or lower outside of Fury... including AJ

The guy is very unskilled, but there were no smoke and mirrors with his career at all. Everyone always knew what he was/is. He didn’t land the punch that he’s NEEDED to land tonight and he lost to the best. It happens.
not to far at all.....if AJ is 2nd tier guess Wilder has been fighting 4th and 5th tier guys(Szpilka, Washington etc).....He is NOTHING but a right hand and Loses EVERY round he fight that he does not knock a fighter down, its a pretty pathetic display from him most of the time until he manages to land a right.....but Lucky for him his team Matched him extremly Smart up until the Fury fights(and he CLEARLY lost Both of them IMO)
This is literally his only loss... And who are all of these guys fighting 1st rate comp at HW??

There are no extremely smart match ups because extremely smart simply means anyone but Fury....
And this is his 2nd time fighting him mind you

So outside of Fury, who is this guy that he just can’t beat? The guy isn’t Seth Mitchell like you’re trying to make it seem... one trick pony of course but one trick that even Fury was nearly bested by
Does not even have to be 1st rate Comp, but they could have At lest Tried to make fights with some guys like Parker, Whyte, or even tried to get Povetkin back in there after all the controversy around him cleared up....Guys who had something to bring to the table that could pose some challenges....Just something like that would have added some Legitimacy but Defenses vs Eric Molina, Washington, Shot to Shit Old Arreola, Made to Order Breazeale, Duhaupas, Szpilka etc....Those were all Very smart Match making and guys with Very obvious Flaws that played into Wilders Strengths and were ment to make Wilder Look better than he was(only a couple of them actually worked).....All but 2 opponents Wilder Fought have been pretty embarrassing, and even 1 of those was/is over 40....Ill Say this to, I think the only reason They Let Wilder in the Ring with Fury the first time is it was fairly common thought that Fury was shot after the Lay off and years of Alcohol and Drug Abuse....This isnt saying Wilder had this Mindset but his Handlers around Him....

Im Really Not sure what the issue is with my take other then We have a different View of his Comp outside of Fury....
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marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:51 am
ObJuan13 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:25 am
marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:38 am

not to far at all.....if AJ is 2nd tier guess Wilder has been fighting 4th and 5th tier guys(Szpilka, Washington etc).....He is NOTHING but a right hand and Loses EVERY round he fight that he does not knock a fighter down, its a pretty pathetic display from him most of the time until he manages to land a right.....but Lucky for him his team Matched him extremly Smart up until the Fury fights(and he CLEARLY lost Both of them IMO)
This is literally his only loss... And who are all of these guys fighting 1st rate comp at HW??

There are no extremely smart match ups because extremely smart simply means anyone but Fury....
And this is his 2nd time fighting him mind you

So outside of Fury, who is this guy that he just can’t beat? The guy isn’t Seth Mitchell like you’re trying to make it seem... one trick pony of course but one trick that even Fury was nearly bested by
Does not even have to be 1st rate Comp, but they could have At lest Tried to make fights with some guys like Parker, Whyte, or even tried to get Povetkin back in there after all the controversy around him cleared up....Guys who had something to bring to the table that could pose some challenges....Just something like that would have added some Legitimacy but Defenses vs Eric Molina, Washington, Shot to Shit Old Arreola, Made to Order Breazeale, Duhaupas, Szpilka etc....Those were all Very smart Match making and guys with Very obvious Flaws that played into Wilders Strengths and were ment to make Wilder Look better than he was(only a couple of them actually worked).....All but 2 opponents Wilder Fought have been pretty embarrassing, and even 1 of those was/is over 40....Ill Say this to, I think the only reason They Let Wilder in the Ring with Fury the first time is it was fairly common thought that Fury was shot after the Lay off and years of Alcohol and Drug Abuse....This isnt saying Wilder had this Mindset but his Handlers around Him....

Im Really Not sure what the issue is with my take other then We have a different View of his Comp outside of Fury....
Whyte could have been a name if he kept declining fights. He was offered a fight with Ortiz where winner would face Wilder and he said no.
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Parker, Whyte and non roided Povetkin really on a different tier than Ortiz? I don't see it. Not at all.

Yes, Wilder was lacking in boxing skills, but his one strength was enough. I think folks are going a little too far with the dismissal and missing the picture.

Fury is on another tier. And he found a better coach with a better game plan to solve the riddle he couldn't in the first fight. Fury looked better than he did in any fight in his career. The Wlad fight? Leaps and bounds. And that's after the drug habit and deep depression.

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ObJuan13 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:25 am
marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:38 am
ObJuan13 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:44 am
Too far. He’s 2 fights removed from being 2 seconds away from knocking out the guy who just beat him tonight... the entire division is 2nd tier or lower outside of Fury... including AJ

The guy is very unskilled, but there were no smoke and mirrors with his career at all. Everyone always knew what he was/is. He didn’t land the punch that he’s NEEDED to land tonight and he lost to the best. It happens.
not to far at all.....if AJ is 2nd tier guess Wilder has been fighting 4th and 5th tier guys(Szpilka, Washington etc).....He is NOTHING but a right hand and Loses EVERY round he fight that he does not knock a fighter down, its a pretty pathetic display from him most of the time until he manages to land a right.....but Lucky for him his team Matched him extremly Smart up until the Fury fights(and he CLEARLY lost Both of them IMO)
This is literally his only loss... And who are all of these guys fighting 1st rate comp at HW??

There are no extremely smart match ups because extremely smart simply means anyone but Fury....
And this is his 2nd time fighting him mind you

So outside of Fury, who is this guy that he just can’t beat? The guy isn’t Seth Mitchell like you’re trying to make it seem... one trick pony of course but one trick that even Fury was nearly bested by
Second loss.

And in Furys own words, Wilder cherry picked him because he knew he wasn't fit. He was forced into a rematch when Fury was fit and that was that.
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I think Tyson used the Philly brawl in this fight. The fight reminded me Hopkins vs Echols 2. The second round Tyson caught Wilder in the ear a couple times. In the 3rd, it looked like he was hit more behind the head than in the ear with the kd. The second time Wilder fell, it looked like he might have gotten kicked in the face. In the fourth there was a lot of wrestling. In the fifth, Wilder was walking backwards and Fury's leg was behind him during that kd. The 6th I really took notice of Fury doing a 1-clinch-2 while Wilder's back was against the ropes, nullifying that right hand. In the 7th, they had a couple exchanges and Wilder's corner stopped it pointing out Wilder's ear. Wilder was not out on his feet, he threw the last punch. Wilder got beat thoroughly through out the fight, but he did not quit or get KO'd. I would have preffered one of those to seeing the corner stop it. Tyson used dirty boxing well, it wasn't as boring as when Wlad used it.
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NoPropaganda 253 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:01 pm Parker, Whyte and non roided Povetkin really on a different tier than Ortiz? I don't see it. Not at all.

Yes, Wilder was lacking in boxing skills, but his one strength was enough. I think folks are going a little too far with the dismissal and missing the picture.

Fury is on another tier. And he found a better coach with a better game plan to solve the riddle he couldn't in the first fight. Fury looked better than he did in any fight in his career. The Wlad fight? Leaps and bounds. And that's after the drug habit and deep depression.

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Its not that they are better than Ortiz....Its that up until Wilder fought Ortiz none of his Title Defense opponents were Ranked in the to Top 10 by RING or TBRB at the time he fought them(this was brought up numerous times prior to Ortiz 1)....and Likely none of them other than Ortiz or Fury period for the whole time he held his title.....incredibly frustrating for years
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Wilder stinks
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marciano1952 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:22 pm
NoPropaganda 253 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:01 pm Parker, Whyte and non roided Povetkin really on a different tier than Ortiz? I don't see it. Not at all.

Yes, Wilder was lacking in boxing skills, but his one strength was enough. I think folks are going a little too far with the dismissal and missing the picture.

Fury is on another tier. And he found a better coach with a better game plan to solve the riddle he couldn't in the first fight. Fury looked better than he did in any fight in his career. The Wlad fight? Leaps and bounds. And that's after the drug habit and deep depression.

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Its not that they are better than Ortiz....Its that up until Wilder fought Ortiz none of his Title Defense opponents were Ranked in the to Top 10 by RING or TBRB at the time he fought them(this was brought up numerous times prior to Ortiz 1)....and Likely none of them other than Ortiz or Fury period for the whole time he held his title.....incredibly frustrating for years
Povetkin pooped hot. Whyte stayed ducking eliminators. Parker has been aligned with AJ and Fury. Dude has been giving up 30 plus pounds in how many fights? He could've hid a t cruiser easily with his frame. I'm not quite seeing the picture you paint with his matchmaking. It's a stretch.

Boxing in general has been frustrating for years, save a few old school talents who truly look to fight anyone and everyone.
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We’ve been saying for a long time he isn’t skilled he just has the power to change the fight instantly. He wasn’t exposed any more then he has been his entire career. He admits it himself that he doesn’t try and improve because of his power and that’s how he’s been winning fights.
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His matchmaking was really weak for a long long time, and made it seem like his team lacked confidence in him, but Ortiz and Fury were legit top opponents and he'd clearly turned a corner in his career in that regard.

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