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FURY stopped WILDER in Rematch

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Well?
I caught the back half of the replay on Friday. It was boring as all hell..
Fury doing his schtick and wilder over throwing right hands. Brutal

Wilder hasnt improved. He looked like crap against ortiz 2. Fury is fury.... interesting to see what kind of shape hes in.

I like fury by decision
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I got Fury by decision
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I think Deontay finds the chin easier out this time and I'm not sure what effect the concussive shot from the initial scrap had on Tyson. History mostly favors the puncher in these type of rematches. Unlike my good buddy Jeff who shits on action of the initial scrap every chance he gets, I love the style clash and suspense brought by the collision of 2 completely different fighters. The action does lull until it doesn't and then electricity in any venue containing more than 1 person ignites instantly, something like a Deontay right hand.

I got Wilder here by TKO. Fury still gets up, but those legs are much shakier after the fact.
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If Fury follows through on his talk, and actually tries to stop Wilder early. He'll be knocked out within 3 rounds.

If he does what I anticipate, and tries to box smart, and pick his moments. He will win if he stays completely focused, and doesn't fuck around. No stupid showboating movements. No wasting energy. No taunting. No bullshit. Just win the goddamn fight. If he doesn't do that, and he just has to be a showman he gets himself knocked out somewhere along the way.

Incidentally I do think he doesn't have the temperament to do what he needs to do to get the job done, and I do think he gets himself knocked out.

I'm thinking somewhere around Round 9.
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Fury can get it done if he stays focused......but a part of me thinks he show boats a little to much and gets dropped again.....If Fury wasnt such a head case id greatly favor him......but as it is a ill go with a hesitant Fury DEC.....
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I'm not buying Fury's talk of going out and trading bombs. That's just an idiotic gameplan against a guy he can box circles around. He should win a decision...again. I can't imagine any trainer worth a damn would tell him "yeah, trading shots with the best puncher in the division is a brilliant plan."
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Same script as last go around it appears.
Going with Wilder to end it this time no resurrection.
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Wilder KTFO
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NoPropaganda 253 wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:02 pm I think Deontay finds the chin easier out this time and I'm not sure what effect the concussive shot from the initial scrap had on Tyson. History mostly favors the puncher in these type of rematches. Unlike my good buddy Jeff who shits on action of the initial scrap every chance he gets, I love the style clash and suspense brought by the collision of 2 completely different fighters. The action does lull until it doesn't and then electricity in any venue containing more than 1 person ignites instantly, something like a Deontay right hand.

I got Wilder here by TKO. Fury still gets up, but those legs are much shakier after the fact.
Wilder is suspenseful for sure. I find fury agonizing to watch. Couple that with wilders limitations and well....

Fury arm punches and mugs. He has great footwork and has a style that has no rhythm so its tough to time. It works for him.

I suspect fury will be at his best as hes been active unlike last time. Its hard to know until the weigh in though
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Fury by decision. Always tempting to pick based on power but I just remind myself to pick the better boxer.
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Wilder needs to fight like he did vs stirverne in the first fight and dont go looking for the KO let it come organically
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Wilder by decision
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Boxers, trainer, promoters, writers picks for the battle to see who will be the #1 in the world is this Saturday:
Sugar Ray Leonard, Hall of Famer
Wilder W 12: “I like Deontay Wilder to win, possibly by knockout, but, in truth, I don’t see either guy being knocked out. I think that Wilder not only has that powerful right hand, but that he has improved in his ability to set it up.

“On the other hand, I know that Tyson Fury has excellent boxing abilities and a tremendous chin from the way that he got up from the two knockdowns in their previous fight. In the end, I think that Wilder is always in shape and that he will use his speed and power to get the job done.”

Jamel Herring, WBO Junior Lightweight world champion
Fury by Majority Decision: “If Fury can box the same way he boxed in the first fight, without any scares, he can pull it off. On the flip side, it’s hard to pick against Wilder, as he always looks more impressive in rematches.”

Manny Pacquiao, WBA Welterweight World Champion
Wilder KO 10: “Never bet against a puncher, particularly one like Deontay Wilder. I look at Wilder like I do at a Mike Tyson, another puncher. I see Wilder winning this rematch with Tyson Fury by 10th-round knockout.”

Carl Frampton, former two-weight world champion
Fury W 12: “I think it’s a very difficult fight to call. Fury won the last one by a mile, but I think Wilder will be more aggressive this time, which may play into Fury’s hands. Wilder can win by KO at any moment, but put a gun to my head, and I’d say Fury on points.”

Thomas Hearns, Hall of Famer
Wilder W 12: “Deontay Wilder can box and win, but I think that his power will be the difference in defeating Tyson Fury. I believe that it will go to a decision again, but with Deontay Wilder winning it.”

Mikaela Mayer, undefeated super featherweight/2016 U.S. Olympian
Fury by decision: “I Fury is the better boxer and smart enough to make the adjustments needed from the last fight. If he can avoid a bomb from the ‘The Bronze Bomber,’ I think he will win on the scorecards.”

Evander Holyfield, Hall of Famer
Wilder W 12: “I’m picking Deontay Wilder based on his confidence and the fact that he does all of the right things to remain in great shape, and that he’s committed to his craft.

“Wilder’s not just a big guy with a right hand, but he’s also become more calculated in his approach. That’s why I’m picking him to win this second fight against Tyson Fury.”

Michael Conlan, WBO No. 1 Featherweight Contender

Fury by decision: “He needs to be even more careful this time, but he looks like he’s put in some serious work and is ready finish what he started last time.”

Shawn Porter, former two-time world welterweight champion
Wilder KO:” I have not had this hard of a time picking a winner of a fight after dissecting every component in a very long time. I honestly believe that this fight right here will seal both of their legacies.

“This is a 50-50 fight for several reasons. Deontay Wilder will be much more patient and freer from the anxiety he had trying to put on a big show in the first fight. Tyson Fury is now two years from depression, two fights from the retirement he came out of to fight Wilder.

“Fury has changed trainers in order to take the fight to Wilder and win by KO. Fury still has his speed and quickness, while Wilder is still powerful and more confident. It’s going to be a great fight.

“It’s razor thin until the end. I’m picking Wilder to win by KO, Fury by points, or Fury by KO. This is a 50-50 fight. I said on ‘Inside PBC Boxing’ a couple of weeks ago that Wilder wins by KO, but I’m picking the fans to win.”

Xander Zayas, 17-year-old welterweight prospect
Fury by decision: “He will outbox Wilder and make the necessary adjustments. It will essentially be a repeat of the first fight, only more convincing.”

Larry Holmes, Hall of Famer
Wilder KO 7-8: “Deontay Wilder will knock out Tyson Fury in the seventh or eighth round if he does what I know that he can do, which is stay on the outside, use his jab, throw that right hand over the jab.”

Colin Cloud, LIMITLESS at The Mirage

Wilder KO: “I predict Wilder will win by a knock-out in the first three rounds. I further predict Tyson will get ‘in the zone’ listening to some classic Jay-Z, Whereas Wilder will be listening to Taylor Swift’s ‘Lover’ album, because ultimately he is both a lover and a fighter.”

Adam Kownacki, undefeated heavyweight contender
Wilder KO 7: “I’m going with Deontay Wilder, and I think it’s going to be a knockout in round seven. I think it will be a rematch similar to the one with Luis Ortiz, whom he stopped in the 10th round the first time and in the seventh round the second time.

“Wilder will be patient, wait for his opening, and then, he will deliver. I think Wilder lands the big right hand and that, this time, Fury doesn’t get up.”

Robert Garcia, trainer of Mikey Garcia
Fury W 12: “I see Tyson Fury winning by a decision over Deontay Wilder. Unlike the first time, where he was knocked down twice, I believe that Fury will be fight more cautiously and that he’ll win a decision.”

Keith Thurman, former unified welterweight world champion
Wilder KO: “I’m going with Deontay Wilder, who is one of the most dangerous punchers in boxing history. There’s something about the first time that you step into the ring with an opponent, the entire, ‘I’ve never seen you; you’ve never seen me before.’

“But the fact is, Wilder now knows the movement, the speed and the tactics that Tyson Fury has, but, of course, Fury has the ability to dance, move around and change it up. But as long as Wilder can keep up with and move with him, I believe that he will do what he does best.

“I believe that Wilder can end the fight at any moment, aiming that right hand straight down the pipe, which he just about did in the last fight. It’s a tremendous event, I missed the first one, but I’ll be present at this next one and another great heavyweight rivalry. Team BombZquad.”

Matt Goss, 1OAK Las Vegas at The Mirage
Fury W “So proud of Tyson and his mindset and all of the battles he has won in and outside of the ring. Massively respect you Tyson, from one Brit to another, go and do what you do best, TCB.”

Mikey Garcia, former four-division world champion

Wilder KO 8: “I’ve got Deontay Wilder knocking out Tyson Fury in the eighth round. Wilder will be much more aggressive than he was in their first fight. Wilder will catch Fury with a big shot in the eighth round.”

Michelin Star Chef Akira Back, Chef for Yellowtail at Bellagio and Kumi at Mandalay Bay
Wilder KO 9: “Wilder in a 9th round KO. And after he knocks out Fury, I hope he will have time to stop by Yellowtail to celebrate and have a shot with me.”

Ruben Guerrero, trainer of Robert Guerrero
Fury W 12: “Tyson Fury is much more focused going into this fight. He’s not partying like he was, and he didn’t go into camp out of shape. He’s gotten God-centered in his life now, so I’m picking Fury to win by decision over Deontay Wider.”

Jermall Charlo, Undefeated WBC Middleweight World Champion
Wilder KO 10: “Deontay Wilder by knockout in the 10th over Tyson Fury. Deontay has to establish the jab early to get close, then crank right hands repeatedly.”

Marcus Deegan, MC, Thunder from Down Under at Excalibur
Fury KO 2: "After Tyson Fury got up like a zombie from the dead after that devastating knock down in their first fight, it shows his heart is beyond those of a normal human. This time around, I believe Tyson Fury will be victorious via knockout in the second round."

Chris Colbert, interim WBA Super Featherweight Champion
Wilder KO 8: “I feel like Tyson Fury is less confident for this fight, and I think that Deontay Wilder is going to win by knockout. I would like to see Fury put up a helluva fight, but I don’t think that will happen this time.

“Wilder has more hunger to come back and to do better in his rematches, like he did against Bermane Stiverne and Luis Ortiz. I don’t think Fury goes any further than eight rounds this time.”

Paulie Malignaggi, former two-division world champion

Fury W 12: “I feel like it’s going to be Tyson Fury on points, but it’s a fight between the two best fighters in the weight class.

“The onus is Deontay Wilder to make the adjustments, whereas if Fury fights the same fight, odds are, he’s probably going to get the decision.

“I do think that Fury has to be careful with getting careless in spots, but Wilder can’t just fight believing that he can land one shot and get him out of there.

“Fury is a great boxer who can probably be better at avoiding the shot the second time around because he knows what he’s dealing with.”

David Benavidez, undefeated WBC Super Middleweight World Champion
Wilder KO 11: “I think Deontay Wilder knocks out Tyson Fury in the 11th round, but I think it’s gonna be a close fight until that happens. Still, I think Wilder wins the fight.

“I think Tyson Fury will have a lot of success early, but that ultimately Wilder will catch him with that big right hand and knock him out.”

Andy Lee, former middleweight world champion
Fury KO 2: “Tyson Fury can win this fight with Deontay Wilder in any way that he wants, whether by stoppage or knockout or accumulation of punishment on points.

“But the way that Fury’s looking in training, I will say that he wins by stoppage or knockout, and I’ll say he wins in round number two.

“I’m a former Kronk Gym fighter, and he’s being trained by [Emanuel Steward’s nephew Javon] SugarHill Steward, and you know what all of us Kronk Gym fighters want – knockouts.”

Anthony Dirrell, former two-time super middleweight champion
Wilder KO 8: “I am picking Deontay Wilder to win the rematch with Tyson Fury, and I think that it will happen in Round eight or nine.

“I just believe that Wilder will be better than he was in the last fight, and you can just look at his record in rematches against Bermane Stiverne and Luis Ortiz.”

Terry Fator, Terry Fator: The VOICE of Entertainment at The Mirage
Fury KO 4: “I am a huge fight fan...it's why I never miss a presidential debate. My prediction--Fury in 4 when Wilder hits the floor.”

Charles Martin, former world heavyweight champion

Wilder KO 8: “Deontay Wilder’s gonna win by knockout. I believe that Tyson Fury will be out-boxing Wilder for most of the rounds, but then, he will get stopped by that powerful right hand in the eighth.”

John Ryder, former WBA interim super middleweight champion
Fury KO: “I believe this fight will be a lot more explosive then the first. I believe Deontay Wilder will feel Tyson Fury can’t hurt him and will go for the KO very early and fade later in the fight. Tyson will get him out of there anywhere after the eighth round.”

Luis Ortiz, heavyweight contender

Wilder W 12: “Deontay Wilder will win a decision over Tyson Fury, who will be coming in respecting Wilder’s power and being wary of taking a shot based on all of the evidence of Wilder’s previous fights with me, and from their first fight.

“Looking at what Wilder was able to do with me during the championship rounds of our first fight and also much sooner than that in our second fight, he’s going to be worrying about taking a similar shot, otherwise, there’s a locomotive coming.”

Bermane Stiverne, former world heavyweight champion
Wilder KO:” I think Deontay Wilder will knock out Tyson Fury, it’s just a matter of when he lands the right hand or the left hook and finishes him off.

“Wilder’s power saved him in the last round against Fury the first time, but I think that now that Fury has tasted Wilder’s power, I think that has to be in the back of his mind.

“Whether it’s the first or the last round, just like Fury was doing well in the first fight, I think it’s going to be a knockout for Wilder.”

Michael Clift, “Barry Gibb”, The Australian Bee Gees Show at Excalibur Hotel & Casino
Fury W: “Wilder will come after Fury and try for a big knockout punch, that's his best hope. Fury will bide his time and use his reach and awkward style to wear Wilder down and strike when he sees him tiring. I'd like to see Wilder win but I think Fury will be too strong. Fury to win!”
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I think fury is being overly cautious already after being floored twice. Coming in so heavy seems like he thinks itll make him more durable or stronger to stay inside. Weight wont fix his chin. Wilder by KO. All he needs is 1. Whether he got up or not, that big blow put out furys lights and those subsequent KOs come easier once your brains been rattled
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All 3 judges assigned to this contest are on our Watching the Watchers list.
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gilgamesh wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:43 pm All 3 judges assigned to this contest are on our Watching the Watchers list.
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Generally speaking weisfeld is a good judge
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I'm rolling w/ Wilder. KO in the 8th.
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jeff_lacy_ko wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:50 pm Generally speaking weisfeld is a good judge
I agree. I think he generally does a good job.
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I didnt like how Fury got touched up in his previous fight. I think Fury is still the better fighter and see him winning UD if the judging is fair. I am hoping the line moves making Wilder a larger favorite on Saturday to make a small bet on fury
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Danielk015 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:24 pm I didnt like how Fury got touched up in his previous fight. I think Fury is still the better fighter and see him winning UD if the judging is fair. I am hoping the line moves making Wilder a larger favorite on Saturday to make a small bet on fury
I'm heading down to Atlantic City tonight for weigh-ins, then Friday and Saturday night for fights, I'm hoping the same thing you are. I may drop a little bit on Fury.
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Waiting for the weigh in. If Fury is really 270+, I think the win-o-meter needle moves toward Wilder.
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Very hard fight to be sure about in my opinion. Just so many unpredictable variables. Makes it intriguing for sure, while simultaneously it will probably be ugly aesthetically for the vast majority.

One thing I will say is that my gut is Fury is trying to lull Wilder into overconfidence, as well as dampen any true animosity he might have. His antics and shit talking have been relatively low key for him, while there's been a lot of banter from him about the cut, coming in purposefully heavy, etc., that feels too obliviously open for him, that it makes me thinks it's the perfect spin of half truth to feel sincere to get Wilder feeling too relaxed, and half lie to maintain his own confidence. Again, just my gut cynicism about it.

I'm actually less interested in his official weight (because I could see him doing some tricky shit to throw that into doubt on that end too), than how his body visibly looks if we get to see him sans shirt (my bet is we might not).

Say what you want about Fury, and I'm not a big fan and find him to generally be a boring, ugly fighter, with Wilder's power combined with Fury's vulnerabilities ultimately being the true intrigue makers here, but I actually do think in some ways Fury's very similar to Ali.

Obviously not the pure athlete or overall natural talent, or nearly the social icon, but his combination of size with agility/fluidity (particularly in the feet), and unorthodox skills, and then perhaps even more so some similar-ish self-promotional instincts and savvy for the psychological aspects of the game inside and out of the ring, are somewhat unique. Kind of ironic that he's named after Iron Mike, since Wilder alternatively actually has more in common with him, albeit with his own very significant differences of course.
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And???
A lot of content given to analizing the match but the point of the thread is to pick a winner/end result.
Ya leaning with Fury means you are picking him?
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My bad, I didn’t realize you were the decider on the content and point of threads and posts. I’ll try to keep that in mind in the future.

I didn’t pick or lean towards anybody that I saw, because I don’t really have a strong feeling on this fight, and just offered some of my opinions, otherwise known as interpretations of observations.

Hopefully they help you to feel safe and OK about your feelings on the subject, and may the result be uncontroversial, and the winner sign up for the best fights in the sport afterwards.

That’s assuming we’re all just honest fans of boxing as a sport of course, as opposed to deriving vicarious self worth from results out of our control or benefit, or the accomplishments of others completely independent of us, which would feel sort of weird and sad and pathetic to me. But I’m not trying to yuck anybody’s yum, so to each their own I suppose if that’s the case, because fair enough, you do you, whoever you are.

Looking forward to watching the fight and enjoying time with the close, in-person company of lots of friends and family!

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