Joshua just isn’t very good

[the13r]

Not true AJ isn't very good.. but he has to be more aware of the limits of his chin which once checked, can take out his stamina and legs... He and Wilder need to stick to distance fighting... jab... straights... they will be hard to beat if they do that.

[ObJuan13]

You guys have a low bar if you think AJ is very good. I’m not hating on the guy one bit but he’s barely good let alone very good?

If he’s very good what is Fury? Great?

Or Lennox? Super Great?

And Ali is what a Superhero or something? There are levels to this and he isn’t operating on a high one

The guy is stiff, with a shaky chin, big time stamina issues, over commits on most punches outside of his jab and leaves holes big enough for a truck to drive through. He got outclassed by Andy Ruiz, how is he very good?? Am I supposed to act like I didn’t see what I just saw?

[TopNotch86]

Wilders power is very special

Yes it is but that and great length is all he has... very few great fighters had only 1 or two great attributes... We’ll see where he takes it and I hope it’s far but Wilder isn’t a “special” fighter at all yet

it may be all he needs in todays HW division

[Hillsinitialrebirth]

AJ thought the ref was going to put the mouth guard back in, but he didn't. He was trying to buy a few more seconds. Fair play to the ref who wasn't having it and stopped the fight, it was the right decision.

The ref did a great job IMO. If you listen closely, when AJ gets up and leans up against the ropes, you hear the ref telling him "come on, this is NOT a break". He kept telling AJ to come forward, come to him, and AJ just looked away and kept leaning up against the ropes. He didn't want to continue, the ref saw it, and stopped the fight.

[Hillsinitialrebirth]

AJ is a good fighter, but he does have limitations. Limitations that some on this board have pointed out before(which got some people up in arms), and they finally reared their ugly head, to the point where he got blasted out of there.

Like I said before: Chinny, with a bad gas tank, is not a good combination. AJ kind of reminds me of a HW version of Jermaine Taylor....

[jeff_lacy_ko]

Jt had a limited gas tank but i wouldnt call him chinny. He got drilled by some major punchers... andy ruiz is not a major puncher

Also jt wasnt much of a puncher himself

[Hillsinitialrebirth]

JT was a good puncher, not devastating, but a good puncher. But in fights, once he got tired, everything fell apart for him. AJ has these qualities....

[soonermark890]

Wilders power is very special

Yes it is but that and great length is all he has... very few great fighters had only 1 or two great attributes... We’ll see where he takes it and I hope it’s far but Wilder isn’t a “special” fighter at all yet

it may be all he needs in todays HW division

Or any hw division. Power is the great equalizer

[Primetyme199]

A fighter has a responsibility to address the ref the minute he gets up to where he assures the ref he can continue. It's not reading body language it's knowledge of the game.

This is where I disagree with you. It helps the fighters chances of continuing if he does that but his only responsibility is obeying the refs commands. Fighters try all the time to get extra seconds from spitting mouthpieces out, to sitting in the corner longer then they should, to delaying anything they can, etc. If the ref doesn't tell him to do something right away you can't blame the recovering fighter for that. In this case when the ref told him to do something and he further evaluated that Joshua couldn't continue it was stopped.

[Mayz]

AJ thought the ref was going to put the mouth guard back in, but he didn't. He was trying to buy a few more seconds. Fair play to the ref who wasn't having it and stopped the fight, it was the right decision.

The ref did a great job IMO. If you listen closely, when AJ gets up and leans up against the ropes, you hear the ref telling him "come on, this is NOT a break". He kept telling AJ to come forward, come to him, and AJ just looked away and kept leaning up against the ropes. He didn't want to continue, the ref saw it, and stopped the fight.

Yeah. He was just trying to buy more time to recover, the ref saw that and stopped the fight. He had his 10 seconds, spat out his mouthpiece to try and get more, but then tried to waste even more time by looking around. I do think he was a little confused why the ref didn't put the mouthpiece back in, but he saw what was happening and well done for stopping it.

[Mayz]

AJ is a good fighter, but he does have limitations. Limitations that some on this board have pointed out before(which got some people up in arms), and they finally reared their ugly head, to the point where he got blasted out of there.

Like I said before: Chinny, with a bad gas tank, is not a good combination. AJ kind of reminds me of a HW version of Jermaine Taylor....

Nobody said he was perfect, just that he was of the best of the three, particularly Wilder who is awful. No one ever said he would beat Lennox for example, at least I don't think anyone said that.

Some of us just wanted an Undisputed champion and felt Wilder stopped that from happening because he knew he wouldn't win.

Win or lose v Ruiz, hopefully Wilder does now fight the winner.

[Mayz]

A fighter has a responsibility to address the ref the minute he gets up to where he assures the ref he can continue. It's not reading body language it's knowledge of the game.

This is where I disagree with you. It helps the fighters chances of continuing if he does that but his only responsibility is obeying the refs commands. Fighters try all the time to get extra seconds from spitting mouthpieces out, to sitting in the corner longer then they should, to delaying anything they can, etc. If the ref doesn't tell him to do something right away you can't blame the recovering fighter for that. In this case when the ref told him to do something and he further evaluated that Joshua couldn't continue it was stopped.

Good post. AJ tried to buy time, didn't work. His own fault, but can't blame him for trying.

[Mayz]

Jt had a limited gas tank but i wouldnt call him chinny. He got drilled by some major punchers... andy ruiz is not a major puncher

Also jt wasnt much of a puncher himself

Lets not forget that AJ got up 4 times, people talking about him like his chin is terrible.

Whether he was concussed, confused, or out of energy, he did get up every time and was never badly knocked down.

Even against Wladimir who hits like a truck he got up well.

Seemed to me that the temple shot in the 3rd just rattled him completely, for whatever reason he just didn't recover properly. Seemed much more like concussion than a poor chin to me.

[marciano1952]

Jt had a limited gas tank but i wouldnt call him chinny. He got drilled by some major punchers... andy ruiz is not a major puncher

Also jt wasnt much of a puncher himself

Lets not forget that AJ got up 4 times, people talking about him like his chin is terrible.

Whether he was concussed, confused, or out of energy, he did get up every time and was never badly knocked down.

Even against Wladimir who hits like a truck he got up well.

Seemed to me that the temple shot in the 3rd just rattled him completely, for whatever reason he just didn't recover properly. Seemed much more like concussion than a poor chin to me.

Wlad got the same treatment and Never lived it down until the Joshua fight.....He Got up all the time as well, but the Bad Chin and Stamina critiques hovered over his whole title reign.....Joshua will Be Fine so long as he Learns from this.....ala Wlad-Brewster 1

[Primetyme199]

Jt had a limited gas tank but i wouldnt call him chinny. He got drilled by some major punchers... andy ruiz is not a major puncher

Also jt wasnt much of a puncher himself

Lets not forget that AJ got up 4 times, people talking about him like his chin is terrible.

Whether he was concussed, confused, or out of energy, he did get up every time and was never badly knocked down.

Even against Wladimir who hits like a truck he got up well.

Seemed to me that the temple shot in the 3rd just rattled him completely, for whatever reason he just didn't recover properly. Seemed much more like concussion than a poor chin to me.

Wlad got the same treatment and Never lived it down until the Joshua fight.....He Got up all the time as well, but the Bad Chin and Stamina critiques hovered over his whole title reign.....Joshua will Be Fine so long as he Learns from this.....ala Wlad-Brewster 1

But Wlad was poisoned in that fight, remember? LOL.

[Mayz]

Jt had a limited gas tank but i wouldnt call him chinny. He got drilled by some major punchers... andy ruiz is not a major puncher

Also jt wasnt much of a puncher himself

Lets not forget that AJ got up 4 times, people talking about him like his chin is terrible.

Whether he was concussed, confused, or out of energy, he did get up every time and was never badly knocked down.

Even against Wladimir who hits like a truck he got up well.

Seemed to me that the temple shot in the 3rd just rattled him completely, for whatever reason he just didn't recover properly. Seemed much more like concussion than a poor chin to me.

Wlad got the same treatment and Never lived it down until the Joshua fight.....He Got up all the time as well, but the Bad Chin and Stamina critiques hovered over his whole title reign.....Joshua will Be Fine so long as he Learns from this.....ala Wlad-Brewster 1

True. Wlads other issue is he never had the opponents to prove it was wrong until Haye.

In theory, AJ has a few people he can silence the critics with immediately... If he can get past Ruiz that is.

[jeff_lacy_ko]

Jt had a limited gas tank but i wouldnt call him chinny. He got drilled by some major punchers... andy ruiz is not a major puncher

Also jt wasnt much of a puncher himself

Lets not forget that AJ got up 4 times, people talking about him like his chin is terrible.

Whether he was concussed, confused, or out of energy, he did get up every time and was never badly knocked down.

Even against Wladimir who hits like a truck he got up well.

Seemed to me that the temple shot in the 3rd just rattled him completely, for whatever reason he just didn't recover properly. Seemed much more like concussion than a poor chin to me.

I agree seemed to have a concussion based on his odd in ring behavior and questions in his corner between rounds.

[jeff_lacy_ko]

That left hook gets aj a lot doesnt it? Wlad, Ruiz, povetkin, whyte....

[Mayz]

When AJ opens up he open to it.

The other option is just fighting safely, but he didn't become a star doing that and nobody wants to see it.

[straycat]

You could see a quick shot was open as Ruiz was pressing the action and forcing AJ to fight his fight. The howdy doody hook a great shot but Andy showed great adversity and heart. That planted seeds of doubt from that point on for the (former) champ.

[FightFanAL]

Joshua has some issues in the ring that Ruiz exposed and technical improvements he needs to continue to work on. Saying that, I was impressed with how he handled his loss like a man and gave credit to Ruiz.

[the13r]

That was insane how well he took the loss and how much of a gentleman he was about it i agree..reminded me of Andrade post Kessler... Again i think that loss lifted a shit load of pressure off his shoulder.

That smile he had didn't seem fake, he was just glad for him and imo the spotlight not being on him anymore.

[CageyVeteran]

Hey everybody, long time no type.

I actually thought Joshua would've beaten Wilder. Now, not so much.

I know Vlad was old and he got outboxed by Fury, but what Joshua did to Vlad had me buy into the hype. I know that has to do with my not being a Vlad fan. And the other fights I saw of Joshua before he went on DAZN (I'm never going to subscribe to that) he looked capable.

I remember seeing the Wilder v Brazele fight and heard someone say Joshua didn't want Wilder to knock Brazele out faster than he did. And Wilder goes and obliterates Brazeale. When I first read Ruiz won, I thought maybe Joshua just shot his load too early for the ko and got caught. I saw some highlights and my cousin told me what he saw. And now the consensus is Joshua was never really that good. We'll see in the rematch how Joshua comes back. I thought of other excuses like he didn't travel well, first time in the US and all, but they gave him a sacrificial lamb... make that buffalo, basically a televised sparring match.

My 2cents on why the heavyweight division "is back" is because Klitschko brothers retired and it's wide open now. I think the time after Bowe/Holyfield/Lewis most heavyweights don't try to box or setup punches. I can't pin down where I got this theory, probably from so many other people in various media, but heavyweights after Lewis/Holyfield/Bowe, the entire gameplan is to land one devastating punch and call it a night. I know knockouts sell, but 12 rounds of 3 punches total between the two land and then when you go to the fridge for a beer a punch lands ending the night is anticlimatic. Maybe the Klitchkos were onto something.

[yoloswaggy911]

Hey everybody, long time no type.

I actually thought Joshua would've beaten Wilder. Now, not so much.

I know Vlad was old and he got outboxed by Fury, but what Joshua did to Vlad had me buy into the hype. I know that has to do with my not being a Vlad fan. And the other fights I saw of Joshua before he went on DAZN (I'm never going to subscribe to that) he looked capable.

I remember seeing the Wilder v Brazele fight and heard someone say Joshua didn't want Wilder to knock Brazele out faster than he did. And Wilder goes and obliterates Brazeale. When I first read Ruiz won, I thought maybe Joshua just shot his load too early for the ko and got caught. I saw some highlights and my cousin told me what he saw. And now the consensus is Joshua was never really that good. We'll see in the rematch how Joshua comes back. I thought of other excuses like he didn't travel well, first time in the US and all, but they gave him a sacrificial lamb... make that buffalo, basically a televised sparring match.

My 2cents on why the heavyweight division "is back" is because Klitschko brothers retired and it's wide open now. I think the time after Bowe/Holyfield/Lewis most heavyweights don't try to box or setup punches. I can't pin down where I got this theory, probably from so many other people in various media, but heavyweights after Lewis/Holyfield/Bowe, the entire gameplan is to land one devastating punch and call it a night. I know knockouts sell, but 12 rounds of 3 punches total between the two land and then when you go to the fridge for a beer a punch lands ending the night is anticlimatic. Maybe the Klitchkos were onto something.

Don't worry bro, Wilder isn't that good either. An 8th grade substitute teacher nearly did the same thing to Wiler.

Imagine what a nightmare like Tyson would do to any of these guys?

Fury is a dopehead psycho but probably the best of them. This is literally the HW division without Wlad

[CageyVeteran]

Don't worry bro, Wilder isn't that good either. An 8th grade substitute teacher nearly did the same thing to Wiler.

Imagine what a nightmare like Tyson would do to any of these guys?

Fury is a dopehead psycho but probably the best of them. This is literally the HW division without Wlad

I still haven't seen the Fury v Wilder fight. I always thought Wilder looked "wild" when he fought. Still haven't seen the fight and heard from my cousin Wilder looked like garbage. That's why I thought Joshua would beat Wilder.

I saw What's My Name: Muhammad Ali Story, and hear Ali say right after he retired that all the heavyweights he's seen weren't that good all power,oone had a jab. Outside of Bowe/Holyfield/Lewis/Klitchkos, what heavyweight has a jab? Not Joshua. Tyson Fury? I'm slightly depressed at that.