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So, about what Canelo did vs Porky Smith. :lol: Amazing to read the US boxing media trying to spin this "Superfight" and "biggest fight of the year" as a smash success. 300 is better than I thought it would do, but it's nothing great, and pretty much confirms Hearn's assessment of Wilder's drawing power. Weren't there posters here claiming this would do a million buys?

It should make for some solid comedy listening to Espinoza and Shirley Winkel try to spin this.
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Hillsinitialrebirth wrote:
If 300k is a good number with that much promotion, then boxing really is dead in the US!

Not really a huge number, you can get 100k into a stadium...
First you said it had no promotion, and nobody knew who Wilder was, now you say it was being promoted?

Just stop it man, you sound desperate to trash anything to do with this fight. The fight did a lot better than most people thought, and like it or not, Fury and Wilder have built up some good momentum, and have really put themselves out there for the American public.

And this is the United States, we could care less if you guys in the UK watch boxing in a soccer stadium. We watch most of our boxing in arenas, and play soccer on small little league fields.

I said Wilder was a nobody, but didn't say they didn't plump a shitload into promotion. They did a massive tour and had a TV series!
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From the comparison figures that have been put up on the thread....the numbers this fight did seem 'respectable' for the current American market.

But at the end of the day the comparison most relevant it to really is Joshua and his fights numbers.....and on that score Wilder is way off the pace and came nowhere near to Joshua's numbers even when fighting the linear Champion and a prominent British fighter.

The rematch would do better, though I don't think Wilder fancies it. But he's between a rock and hard place now.....rematch Fury or get real on the financials and come to terms with Joshua. Anything else and he'll rightly be criticised. He has 2 extremely legit opponents and he has to fight 1 of them next.....so which direction he seeks to take is the most interesting thing at the moment.
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Wilder literally just said he wants fury next. And after seeing the sales and the buzz after the fight i can see why
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awesome number, especially considering it was a fall back plan after joshua ducked wilder.
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jeff_lacy_ko wrote:Wilder literally just said he wants fury next. And after seeing the sales and the buzz after the fight i can see why
Good lets see how smoothly negotiations go for part 2 then.
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lurkyshaka wrote:From the comparison figures that have been put up on the thread....the numbers this fight did seem 'respectable' for the current American market.

But at the end of the day the comparison most relevant it to really is Joshua and his fights numbers.....and on that score Wilder is way off the pace and came nowhere near to Joshua's numbers even when fighting the linear Champion and a prominent British fighter.

The rematch would do better, though I don't think Wilder fancies it. But he's between a rock and hard place now.....rematch Fury or get real on the financials and come to terms with Joshua. Anything else and he'll rightly be criticised. He has 2 extremely legit opponents and he has to fight 1 of them next.....so which direction he seeks to take is the most interesting thing at the moment.
That's assuming Fury and Joshua don't talk and agree to fight each other.
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TheSickness316 wrote:
That's assuming Fury and Joshua don't talk and agree to fight each other.
That would be my preference.
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I would be surprised if Wilder went right back in there with Fury. Fury has the style and skills to tweak his game and come into the rematch even better prepared to beat Wilder, which he did clearly the first time. AJ is a different type of fighter and not as big and awkward. If I was Wilder, I rather try and cash out against AJ first. Even in a loss to AJ, a potential rematch to settle scores with Fury will be there. If Wilder loses to Fury, I dont think AJ would really care of giving Wilder a fight right away (maybe down the line) as that fight would have lost some luster.

With the promoters of AJ and Fury hating each other, it may be the right time for Wilder to set up a Late Spring/Early Summer fight with AJ.
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Aj isnt fighting wilder. If he fights fury it wont be until late 2019 assuming fury stays boxing. Who knows with that guy.
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Fury and Wilder are probably going to continue ducking AJ by pricing themselves out.
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Man, AJ is looking bad these days. The world shitting on him has to hurt his pride. I mean I assume you have his blood relatives, childhood friends and fans who have been supporting him since day one riding with him no matter what along with those weirdo Eddie Hearn fans( da fuck? shot out to Va), but the rest of the world? Shitting on that dude as they should. Feel bad for that guy. Hopefully, he stands up to Hearn and acts like the champ he is.
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jeff_lacy_ko wrote:Aj isnt fighting wilder. If he fights fury it wont be until late 2019 assuming fury stays boxing. Who knows with that guy.
i dont think AJ fights fury at this point either... he doesnt seem to have that warrior mentality. hes content fighting cab drivers and newspaper salesmen for a couple mill rather than taking an actual risk
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Hed fight fury and here is why

Hed make a career payday for a mega event. Fury cant punch so while he might be outboxed and lose he isnt getting beat up or stopped. Plus if he loses iy will be close on yhe cards which sets up a huge rematch

That fight happens as long as fury doesnt go bonkers again
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Canvas wrote:So, about what Canelo did vs Porky Smith. :lol: Amazing to read the US boxing media trying to spin this "Superfight" and "biggest fight of the year" as a smash success. 300 is better than I thought it would do, but it's nothing great, and pretty much confirms Hearn's assessment of Wilder's drawing power. Weren't there posters here claiming this would do a million buys?

It should make for some solid comedy listening to Espinoza and Shirley Winkel try to spin this.

The only thing I remember about 1M buys was Hearn saying if it did that many PPV’s he’d give Wilder an even split or something like that. I don’t remember anyone saying it would do that many, but I could be wrong. I just did a quick look but couldn’t find it.
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Lurky serious question here for you, because I can’t find any info on it.

When AJ sells out the arena’s is there any info about how much Hearn gets for a site fee from them or what the live gate, money wise, ends up being? I tried searching but never could find out what I was looking for.
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Should be a crazy amount because the ring side seats for AJ fights are stupid expensive
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His fight with klitschko did 11mm us dollars in live gare. I think that is all over the web
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I remember someone complaining to Hearns about the a ticket ringside being 20K
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Primetyme199 wrote:Lurky serious question here for you, because I can’t find any info on it.

When AJ sells out the arena’s is there any info about how much Hearn gets for a site fee from them or what the live gate, money wise, ends up being? I tried searching but never could find out what I was looking for.
I couldn't tell you mate, not sure if the exact information is released publicly.
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lurkyshaka wrote:
Primetyme199 wrote:Lurky serious question here for you, because I can’t find any info on it.

When AJ sells out the arena’s is there any info about how much Hearn gets for a site fee from them or what the live gate, money wise, ends up being? I tried searching but never could find out what I was looking for.
I couldn't tell you mate, not sure if the exact information is released publicly.

OK, thanks.
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From my understanding, not every boxing event has the venue offering up a site fee. In Vegas, before the building of the TMobile arena, there were several similar sites competing against each other so the site fee was helpful in attracting a fight to the Mandalay bay, MGM Grand, Thomas & Mack Center etc. Sometimes Madison Square Garden and Staples Center put up site fees for the promotion to get fights away from Vegas. Vegas Casinos could take the loss on the site revenue to bring in the gamblers and make their money in the casinos. But I think that died down a little bit. In London, Wembley is the top location for huge fights so they might not need to offer up a site fee. The promoter might just work to secure the best revenue split with the site. A star like AJ is like a top band playing in the venue and Hearns can be aggressive in the split of revenue.

I have not read anything directly related to boxing, but if the type of negotiation is similar to a promoter for a live musical act, the promotion typically earns about 70%+ of the live gate depending on how large of a star the performer is. The venue end covers the all of the operating costs and ensures a profit. The promotion takes on most of the risk underwriting the event. Not only for the purses of the fighters but the minimum revenue to the venue. So in essence, the promotion will not get paid until the venue recoups their cost. So the venue upside in profits are marginal compared to the act. The venue is not in the business to risk their financials on the event being a success. They want their cut upfront. These numbers could be wrong for boxing, but I would expect the splits to run in a similar line of thinking.

having that said, I still cant believe Manny vs Floyd did $70m live gate and that connor and floyd did $55m. Wow
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So the break even point was apparently 250k, so they are making some money on it, but I'm not buying that these are great numbers. Seems distinctly average to me.

The 50-70k on top of 250k can't have made the boxers much more than their guarantees. The UK numbers on top though should be much bigger (although it was at 5am).

The bigger news has to be the exposure they got for the final round. Doubt they raked in huge amounts for this fight. The next one should be bigger though.
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Mayz wrote:So the break even point was apparently 250k, so they are making some money on it, but I'm not buying that these are great numbers. Seems distinctly average to me.

The 50-70k on top of 250k can't have made the boxers much more than their guarantees. The UK numbers on top though should be much bigger (although it was at 5am).

The bigger news has to be the exposure they got for the final round. Doubt they raked in huge amounts for this fight. The next one should be bigger though.

300,000 PPV buys is pretty damn good at any time in boxing.

Joshua got decent PPV #'s but the cost was way lower. Revenue for Fury-Wilder was $22M vs $30M for Povetkin-Joshua.

Wilder only brought in $8M more than Fury-Wilder and there's a good chance a second fight makes more than Joshua-Povetkin. Your boy better step his game up.
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Mayz wrote:So the break even point was apparently 250k, so they are making some money on it, but I'm not buying that these are great numbers. Seems distinctly average to me.

The 50-70k on top of 250k can't have made the boxers much more than their guarantees. The UK numbers on top though should be much bigger (although it was at 5am).

The bigger news has to be the exposure they got for the final round. Doubt they raked in huge amounts for this fight. The next one should be bigger though.
250k was break even based on their minimums reported to the commission, which I think was 4 million and 3 million, so 7 million combined. The 10 million dollar per man purse figures the media keeps throwing around will not be possible without significantly more revenue from the UK. This has to rank right up there for some of the most biased, wishful thinking hyperbole I have ever seen by a segment of nationalistic fans and media.

In reality, the guarantee Hearn offered Wilder was millions of dollars more than what Wilder will make from this fight. This was not even the biggest heavyweight fight of this year. By the way, they didn't sell out the Staples Center, which is 18000 seats.

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