If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a problem?
If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a problem?
GGG won in my opinion. He won 7 rounds, maybe 8.
There are 6 rounds in the fight, 4 through 10, that are decisively GGG's. So your gonna tell me that Canelo won the other 6? C'mon! Among those other 6 rounds we can easily find one or two that go to GGG and probably one that is close.
Had the fight gone to GGG, would ANY boxing commentators or pundits be crying fowl? Would Canelo even have the nerve to say it was unfair?
Yes Canelo gave a great account of himself. He even finished strong, I'll give him that. And he was never in trouble nor in danger of being stopped. But this fight was GGG's for sure. I just don't know how you can fine more than 4 or 5 rounds that he won. The punch stats are certainly not in his favor.
There are 6 rounds in the fight, 4 through 10, that are decisively GGG's. So your gonna tell me that Canelo won the other 6? C'mon! Among those other 6 rounds we can easily find one or two that go to GGG and probably one that is close.
Had the fight gone to GGG, would ANY boxing commentators or pundits be crying fowl? Would Canelo even have the nerve to say it was unfair?
Yes Canelo gave a great account of himself. He even finished strong, I'll give him that. And he was never in trouble nor in danger of being stopped. But this fight was GGG's for sure. I just don't know how you can fine more than 4 or 5 rounds that he won. The punch stats are certainly not in his favor.
Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I gave GGG 9 rounds but I watched it at the pub after half a dozen beers. No one there thought Canelo won.
Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I think back to De La Hoya's megafight with Tito Trinidad back in 2000. There was a major uproar there when Tito won, There is a stronger case for Tito winning THAT fight then for this being a draw
Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
No because he was more effective... Canelo was struggling as hell and proved he was tough as fuck... but HE was the one in danger... not GGG... GGG was way more effective
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
Considering I think GGG won 8 rounds to 4, no I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
No because the fight was that close. 7-5 either way is fair. Wider and I think it starts to stink.
Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
GGG deserved about 8 rounds....I dont see how any reasonable person could think it wouldve been a bad decision.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I agree DBO. It was a very close fight. Watching it as a whole 1 36 minute fight id say GGG won. But as 12 individual rounds, they each won 6. I had a draw. I could see 7-5 argued either way. GGG was more active, Canelo defended well and landed the bigger shots. Tough fight to score but definitely close. Wider than 7-5 is just ridiculous and biased to me. I love both of these fighters they'll do it again and make a bunch more money that I'll gladly pay. That was a hell of a fight. Draws suck let's do it againDBO wrote:No because the fight was that close. 7-5 either way is fair. Wider and I think it starts to stink.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
You and DBO are the only people here who felt that was actually a close fight where a case could be made for the draw.TopNotch86 wrote:I agree DBO. It was a very close fight. Watching it as a whole 1 36 minute fight id say GGG won. But as 12 individual rounds, they each won 6. I had a draw. I could see 7-5 argued either way. GGG was more active, Canelo defended well and landed the bigger shots. Tough fight to score but definitely close. Wider than 7-5 is just ridiculous and biased to me. I love both of these fighters they'll do it again and make a bunch more money that I'll gladly pay. That was a hell of a fight. Draws suck let's do it againDBO wrote:No because the fight was that close. 7-5 either way is fair. Wider and I think it starts to stink.
I don't think it was close.....though it was always competitive. But you shouldn't be awarded rounds for fighting in cameo's, NOT when the other guy is attacking consistently and with success. Alvarez's bursts kept him in the fight, but Golovkin was taking rounds by bossing the action, landing more punches and his punches had the more visible effect. It was 8-4 Golovkin, at worst 7-5 Golovkin if you give Alvarez the benefit of the doubt every time.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I gave Canelo the first 3 rounds...then GGG said fuck it, hit the gas on him, and just pressed him relentlessly for the rest of the fight, winning 8 of the last 9 rounds IMO.
He was robbed plain and simple...
He was robbed plain and simple...
Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
Thank you Hill for you honesty I gave 8 rounds to GGG and one round a draw and three rounds to Canelo
On fight night Canelo weighed 177 pound and GGG weighed 168.2. But Canelo says the fight for his 160 pound belt must be at 155 pounds. She should just give her belt to GGG now and move on.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I mean, I can't even see how Canelo won any rounds down the stretch. The last 3 he flat out ran and hid on the ropes.
GGG is lucky he got the draw though, could have easily been straight up robbed.
GGG is lucky he got the draw though, could have easily been straight up robbed.
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I was thinking the same thing........I am surprised they aloud GGG to keep the draw the way DLH operates.......Maybe it was just too one sided of a victory.
On fight night Canelo weighed 177 pound and GGG weighed 168.2. But Canelo says the fight for his 160 pound belt must be at 155 pounds. She should just give her belt to GGG now and move on.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I agree with them. I saw an extremely close fight due to the GGG slow start and finishlurkyshaka wrote:You and DBO are the only people here who felt that was actually a close fight where a case could be made for the draw.TopNotch86 wrote:I agree DBO. It was a very close fight. Watching it as a whole 1 36 minute fight id say GGG won. But as 12 individual rounds, they each won 6. I had a draw. I could see 7-5 argued either way. GGG was more active, Canelo defended well and landed the bigger shots. Tough fight to score but definitely close. Wider than 7-5 is just ridiculous and biased to me. I love both of these fighters they'll do it again and make a bunch more money that I'll gladly pay. That was a hell of a fight. Draws suck let's do it againDBO wrote:No because the fight was that close. 7-5 either way is fair. Wider and I think it starts to stink.
I don't think it was close.....though it was always competitive. But you shouldn't be awarded rounds for fighting in cameo's, NOT when the other guy is attacking consistently and with success. Alvarez's bursts kept him in the fight, but Golovkin was taking rounds by bossing the action, landing more punches and his punches had the more visible effect. It was 8-4 Golovkin, at worst 7-5 Golovkin if you give Alvarez the benefit of the doubt every time.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
3 posters on here then saw it close. Most obviously did not. I don't see any closer than 8-4 Golovkin.jeff_lacy_ko wrote:
I agree with them. I saw an extremely close fight due to the GGG slow start and finish
I think Alvarez has to be given the benefit of every possible doubt to make this fight close. Then I think and would Golovkin has been awarded rounds if he'd opened up in small bursts but spent most of the time backpeddling looking to avoid contact?
At the end of the day Golovkin controlled the tempo and flow, he landed more, his shots had the more visible effect, and he was consistent throughout. Alvarez when he opens up is an impressive offensive fighter, but he's also patchy stamina wise and I'm not fooled by a fighter doing cameo's appearances in a 12 round championship fight.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I disagree. GGG dominated the middle and landed the jab well but most of the clean shots were landed by Canelo. I GGG gave him the first 3 by starting so slow and Canelo took the last 3.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
Thanks, guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.jeff_lacy_ko wrote:I disagree. GGG dominated the middle and landed the jab well but most of the clean shots were landed by Canelo. I GGG gave him the first 3 by starting so slow and Canelo took the last 3.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I see 7 rounds for GGG at minimum but probably 8. I was into the beers.
My point was that if this fight had gone to GGG, no one of sound mind would be saying "hey, wasn't it kind of close?"
They'd be saying Canelo fought a great fight but it wasn't enough, and there wouldn't even be a hint of controversy or any problem with that decision. And we'd probably still be talking re-match!
My point was that if this fight had gone to GGG, no one of sound mind would be saying "hey, wasn't it kind of close?"
They'd be saying Canelo fought a great fight but it wasn't enough, and there wouldn't even be a hint of controversy or any problem with that decision. And we'd probably still be talking re-match!
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I had it 8-4.
Fight resembled Canelo vs. Cotto with Canelo taking Miguel's place and Triple making better use of the jab than the bigger man in the Cotto fight. The champion controlled distance, tempo and never let Canelo rest behind one the best jabs in boxing. Triple could've made his night much easier if would have committed to the body early in the fightt. He was headhunting out there for the first half which allowed Canelo to throw with him and land good shots to body himself.
I didn't see a draw. I saw a clear win for Golovkin.
Fight resembled Canelo vs. Cotto with Canelo taking Miguel's place and Triple making better use of the jab than the bigger man in the Cotto fight. The champion controlled distance, tempo and never let Canelo rest behind one the best jabs in boxing. Triple could've made his night much easier if would have committed to the body early in the fightt. He was headhunting out there for the first half which allowed Canelo to throw with him and land good shots to body himself.
I didn't see a draw. I saw a clear win for Golovkin.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I had it 7-5 GGG. There is no way I can see Canelo winning more than 5 rounds. Two of Canelo's rounds could have went the other way.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
Ineffective volume punching by GGG is a majority of the work he's getting credit for. Canelo landed the bigger flusher shots all night long.lurkyshaka wrote:You and DBO are the only people here who felt that was actually a close fight where a case could be made for the draw.TopNotch86 wrote:I agree DBO. It was a very close fight. Watching it as a whole 1 36 minute fight id say GGG won. But as 12 individual rounds, they each won 6. I had a draw. I could see 7-5 argued either way. GGG was more active, Canelo defended well and landed the bigger shots. Tough fight to score but definitely close. Wider than 7-5 is just ridiculous and biased to me. I love both of these fighters they'll do it again and make a bunch more money that I'll gladly pay. That was a hell of a fight. Draws suck let's do it againDBO wrote:No because the fight was that close. 7-5 either way is fair. Wider and I think it starts to stink.
I don't think it was close.....though it was always competitive. But you shouldn't be awarded rounds for fighting in cameo's, NOT when the other guy is attacking consistently and with success. Alvarez's bursts kept him in the fight, but Golovkin was taking rounds by bossing the action, landing more punches and his punches had the more visible effect. It was 8-4 Golovkin, at worst 7-5 Golovkin if you give Alvarez the benefit of the doubt every time.
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
Exactly how I had it. Canelos rally in the championship rounds earned him the draw. He fought lazy and sluggish in the middle rounds taking way too many breaks from punching but that's par for the course for himjeff_lacy_ko wrote:I disagree. GGG dominated the middle and landed the jab well but most of the clean shots were landed by Canelo. I GGG gave him the first 3 by starting so slow and Canelo took the last 3.
I respect your card greatly. You are one of the posters I consider a good judge.
"He's a fighter, I'm a fighter, if I'm better on that day, I win. That's just the way it goes. Someday, every fighter loses. Sooner or later, somebody comes along and they got your ticket. Too old, just wasn't your day, whatever the reason is. In the end, everybody gets beaten. The most you can hope for is that you stay on top a while. Be the best."
Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I had Canelo by one but a draw or a one round win for GGG was more than feasible, it was a pretty tight fight to mark
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
Having GGG winning 2 of the last 3 is almost as insane to me as byrds 10-2 card lol we must have watched a different fightHillsinitialrebirth wrote:I gave Canelo the first 3 rounds...then GGG said fuck it, hit the gas on him, and just pressed him relentlessly for the rest of the fight, winning 8 of the last 9 rounds IMO.
He was robbed plain and simple...
"He's a fighter, I'm a fighter, if I'm better on that day, I win. That's just the way it goes. Someday, every fighter loses. Sooner or later, somebody comes along and they got your ticket. Too old, just wasn't your day, whatever the reason is. In the end, everybody gets beaten. The most you can hope for is that you stay on top a while. Be the best."
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Re: If they had given it to GGG would anyone have had a prob
I agree. I didnt find the last 3 all that difficult to score. Round 3 was a swing round. There were 2 othersbthat were close. 5 and maybe 9??TopNotch86 wrote:Having GGG winning 2 of the last 3 is almost as insane to me as byrds 10-2 card lol we must have watched a different fightHillsinitialrebirth wrote:I gave Canelo the first 3 rounds...then GGG said fuck it, hit the gas on him, and just pressed him relentlessly for the rest of the fight, winning 8 of the last 9 rounds IMO.
He was robbed plain and simple...