"Most Overrated fighter of all times."
"Most Overrated fighter of all times."
Interested in what the board has to say. I'll comment after I hear the views.
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My most overrated fighter (overrated by me) was Michael Grant. In my mind anyway, Ibeabuchi gets the prize for most often overrated by the rest of the boxing watching world.
Honorable mention goes to Gerry Cooney. After the Norton fight I remember Roy Firestone proclaiming Gerry the greatest, greater than Ali he said
Honorable mention goes to Gerry Cooney. After the Norton fight I remember Roy Firestone proclaiming Gerry the greatest, greater than Ali he said
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Too difficult to say for me
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Ike is a good one....Cagiva9 wrote:Ibeabuchi gets the prize for most often overrated by the rest of the boxing watching world.
for me it really just depends on the group of people you talk to.....Lots proclaim SRR as untouchable....however I think Greb has a damn good case on him....
Marciano by a sect of Fans aswell....
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Cagiva9 wrote:My most overrated fighter (overrated by me) was Michael Grant. In my mind anyway, Ibeabuchi gets the prize for most often overrated by the rest of the boxing watching world.
Honorable mention goes to Gerry Cooney. After the Norton fight I remember Roy Firestone proclaiming Gerry the greatest, greater than Ali he said
Grant fighting this Saturday in Poland vs Zimnoch
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Fury might end up in the conversation... because he beat Wlad... and is after all pretty bad... He is entertaining as hell though i'll give him that.. but imo he is BAD and people were putting way too much on what he did vs what Wlad didn't
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Hold on....who rates Michael Grant?
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Zab Judah. Every time hed fight an elite fighter a solid portion of the board would pick him for some reason.
James Toney is massively overrated. Great skills but he lost fights an elite fighter should never lose and his resurgence was all thanks to PED usage.
James Toney is massively overrated. Great skills but he lost fights an elite fighter should never lose and his resurgence was all thanks to PED usage.
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Ibeabuchi is up there.
Edwin Valero gets overrated by a few people for some reason.
Edwin Valero gets overrated by a few people for some reason.
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Now?...nobodyathenian wrote:Hold on....who rates Michael Grant?
Late 90's?..quite a few
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Joe Frazier.
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This is easy....Shame Mosley.
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joe calzaghe his resume is soft as grapes
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He fought some soft touches over his long reign, but he also fought all the major players of his era.TopNotch86 wrote:joe calzaghe his resume is soft as grapes
Nothing wrong with his resume.
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lurkyshaka wrote:He fought some soft touches over his long reign, but he also fought all the major players of his era.TopNotch86 wrote:joe calzaghe his resume is soft as grapes
Nothing wrong with his resume.
Not a fan of Calzaghe but to go along with what you said, almost every fighter has soft touches on their resume. It's how boxing is done now. They use the soft touches to pad their records. Calzaghe is no different then any other fighter in that regard.
The fighters he's beaten aren't even household names in their own household.
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"Never shall innocent blood be shed. Yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god."
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Joe never went anywhere near Pemberton Lurk why is that?lurkyshaka wrote:He fought some soft touches over his long reign, but he also fought all the major players of his era.TopNotch86 wrote:joe calzaghe his resume is soft as grapes
Nothing wrong with his resume.
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Soft touches and cherry picking is how it was always done in boxing, arguably recognized as the best ever SRR had a 120 bums on his resume, all great fighters like Monzon Chavez etc guys with a big number of fights fought mostly cans with an average of going in with 20 or so top fighters if that some make a name of fighting only 2-3 big names.Primetyme199 wrote:lurkyshaka wrote:He fought some soft touches over his long reign, but he also fought all the major players of his era.TopNotch86 wrote:joe calzaghe his resume is soft as grapes
Nothing wrong with his resume.
Not a fan of Calzaghe but to go along with what you said, almost every fighter has soft touches on their resume. It's how boxing is done now. They use the soft touches to pad their records. Calzaghe is no different then any other fighter in that regard.
You cannot fight the best one after the other for a long career, have a look at GGG he hasn't fought any elite guys maybe a WW and was hyped as the ATG MW by some people.
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jeff_lacy_ko wrote:Zab Judah. Every time hed fight an elite fighter a solid portion of the board would pick him for some reason.
James Toney is massively overrated. Great skills but he lost fights an elite fighter should never lose and his resurgence was all thanks to PED usage.
Yea of course but Focus Super Zab Judah is unbeatable.
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JCC Senior
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He does definitely get quite overrated. It really irks me to hear him referred to frequently as the Greatest Mexican Fighter whenever there are at least 5 or so in my mind that are better.Danielk015 wrote:JCC Senior
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deadlything wrote:jeff_lacy_ko wrote:Zab Judah. Every time hed fight an elite fighter a solid portion of the board would pick him for some reason.
James Toney is massively overrated. Great skills but he lost fights an elite fighter should never lose and his resurgence was all thanks to PED usage.
Yea of course but Focus Super Zab Judah is unbeatable.
That goes without saying, everyone knows that.
The fighters he's beaten aren't even household names in their own household.
"Never shall innocent blood be shed. Yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god."
"Never shall innocent blood be shed. Yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god."
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My Mexican friends used to be really mad at me when I used to say JMM, would beat JCC Sr....He does definitely get quite overrated. It really irks me to hear him referred to frequently as the Greatest Mexican Fighter whenever there are at least 5 or so in my mind that are better.
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gilgamesh wrote:Ibeabuchi is up there.
Edwin Valero gets overrated by a few people for some reason.
Yes, the Valero talk baffles me.
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Personally, I think Aaron Pryor gets overrated by many.
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Pryor at his best was a monster, and he was/is one of my favorite fighters.Personally, I think Aaron Pryor gets overrated by many.
But I do think there are some aspects of him being overrated and over-hyped, when people bring up him beating SRL. SRL would have taken him to school....