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Frank Lombardi and Ron McNair both had Joel Casamayor winning 114 - 113 over Jose Armando Santa Cruz.
That is the worst robbery I have ever seen. Santa Cruz got screwed big time.
That is the worst robbery I have ever seen. Santa Cruz got screwed big time.
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NoPropaganda 253 wrote:Rounds were closer in Ward/Kov.gilgamesh wrote:
Yeah I'd like to watch Cuellar vs Mares again myself. It was a very close fight that wasn't all that easy to score.
lol, stop it.
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I never got to see that fight, but a friend of mine saw it and agreed Santa Cruz was screwed royally. I'll have to go back and catch that one at some point.mannymac wrote:Frank Lombardi and Ron McNair both had Joel Casamayor winning 114 - 113 over Jose Armando Santa Cruz.
That is the worst robbery I have ever seen. Santa Cruz got screwed big time.
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Pat Russell 67-66 Hopkins over Smith
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Yep I don't see how you could've had Hopkins winning 4 of those 7 rounds. I had him winning 2, and I didn't really see a case for a 3rd round for him.marciano1952 wrote:Pat Russell 67-66 Hopkins over Smith
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Lederman. His cards have been shaky this year, imo. Considering the influence he wields with masses perceptions (2nd only to the always correct "punch stats") he has seemed to have tunnel vision recently.
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I had Hoppy winning the 3rd and 4th. Hoppy made Smith mostly miss in round #3 and caught him with clear counters that scored. That was it.gilgamesh wrote:Yep I don't see how you could've had Hopkins winning 4 of those 7 rounds. I had him winning 2, and I didn't really see a case for a 3rd round for him.marciano1952 wrote:Pat Russell 67-66 Hopkins over Smith
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I gave Hopkins the same 2 rounds you did.NoPropaganda 253 wrote:I had Hoppy winning the 3rd and 4th. Hoppy made Smith mostly miss in round #3 and caught him with clear counters that scored. That was it.gilgamesh wrote:Yep I don't see how you could've had Hopkins winning 4 of those 7 rounds. I had him winning 2, and I didn't really see a case for a 3rd round for him.marciano1952 wrote:Pat Russell 67-66 Hopkins over Smith
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Yes sir. Pat Russell sucks.gilgamesh wrote: I gave Hopkins the same 2 rounds you did.
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John Gradowski and Don Risher had god awful scores in the Barthelemy vs Relikh fight.
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Richard DeCarufel
114-114 in the Pascal vs Eleider Alvarez fight...tsk, tsk, tsk
114-114 in the Pascal vs Eleider Alvarez fight...tsk, tsk, tsk
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Not sure how accurate this site is but this goes along with this thread.
http://www.podindex.org/podindex/report
http://www.podindex.org/podindex/report
The fighters he's beaten aren't even household names in their own household.
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Clark Sammartino
118-108 for Lee Haskins over Ryan Burnett
An absolute joke. The commentator said "That is the worst scorecard I've ever heard in my entire life"
Considering I had it 119-108 for Burnett I can't say I disagree
118-108 for Lee Haskins over Ryan Burnett
An absolute joke. The commentator said "That is the worst scorecard I've ever heard in my entire life"
Considering I had it 119-108 for Burnett I can't say I disagree
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You need to give this one a chance, the likelihood is that the judge marked the scores in the wrong box, it was a clear Burnett win!gilgamesh wrote:Clark Sammartino
118-108 for Lee Haskins over Ryan Burnett
An absolute joke. The commentator said "That is the worst scorecard I've ever heard in my entire life"
Considering I had it 119-108 for Burnett I can't say I disagree
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I'll acknowledge so if that does indeed turn out to be the case, but regardless of whether it is or it isn't the head of the BBBofC has already said he won't be invited back to Ireland. If he doesn't know who he's marking it for he shouldn't be a judge.mofo2 wrote:You need to give this one a chance, the likelihood is that the judge marked the scores in the wrong box, it was a clear Burnett win!gilgamesh wrote:Clark Sammartino
118-108 for Lee Haskins over Ryan Burnett
An absolute joke. The commentator said "That is the worst scorecard I've ever heard in my entire life"
Considering I had it 119-108 for Burnett I can't say I disagree
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118-108 judge won’t judge again in UK
Veteran boxing judge Clark Sammartino won’t be allowed to officiate again in the UK after getting the boxers mixed up in Saturday’s IBF world bantamweight title fight in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Challenger Ryan Burnett dominated defending champion Lee Haskins over twelve rounds with two knockdowns, but the arena went into shock when Sammartino’s card came back 118-108 in favor of Haskins. British Boxing Board of Control general secretary Robert Smith told SkySports, “I can tell you one thing. [Sammartino] will not be coming back to this country, and I will make sure the IBF are told of that!”
Promoter Eddie Hearn stated, “He scored two 10-8 rounds to Haskins! His scorecard was excellent: it was just the wrong way around. He’s 80-odd. I’ve never seen anything like it. I presume the split decision will be revoked. It’ll be a unanimous decision, it must be.”
Veteran boxing judge Clark Sammartino won’t be allowed to officiate again in the UK after getting the boxers mixed up in Saturday’s IBF world bantamweight title fight in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Challenger Ryan Burnett dominated defending champion Lee Haskins over twelve rounds with two knockdowns, but the arena went into shock when Sammartino’s card came back 118-108 in favor of Haskins. British Boxing Board of Control general secretary Robert Smith told SkySports, “I can tell you one thing. [Sammartino] will not be coming back to this country, and I will make sure the IBF are told of that!”
Promoter Eddie Hearn stated, “He scored two 10-8 rounds to Haskins! His scorecard was excellent: it was just the wrong way around. He’s 80-odd. I’ve never seen anything like it. I presume the split decision will be revoked. It’ll be a unanimous decision, it must be.”
The fighters he's beaten aren't even household names in their own household.
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I cant argue against that!!gilgamesh wrote:I'll acknowledge so if that does indeed turn out to be the case, but regardless of whether it is or it isn't the head of the BBBofC has already said he won't be invited back to Ireland. If he doesn't know who he's marking it for he shouldn't be a judge.mofo2 wrote:You need to give this one a chance, the likelihood is that the judge marked the scores in the wrong box, it was a clear Burnett win!gilgamesh wrote:Clark Sammartino
118-108 for Lee Haskins over Ryan Burnett
An absolute joke. The commentator said "That is the worst scorecard I've ever heard in my entire life"
Considering I had it 119-108 for Burnett I can't say I disagree
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I didn't see the fight so I can't say anything about this one. But I do know scoring for the wrong person can easily be done. The scorecards are preprinted from the commission with names and corner on them. Sometimes the promoter changes the corner the fighters are in and if that doesn't get relayed to the commission and judges it's easy to see how it happens if they don't know the fighters. I've actually have worked some fights where they have changed their corners but I knew the fighters involved from working some of their previous fights.
The fighters he's beaten aren't even household names in their own household.
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I'd be asking around and making sure I knew who was who if there was any confusion.Primetyme199 wrote:I didn't see the fight so I can't say anything about this one. But I do know scoring for the wrong person can easily be done. The scorecards are preprinted from the commission with names and corner on them. Sometimes the promoter changes the corner the fighters are in and if that doesn't get relayed to the commission and judges it's easy to see how it happens if they don't know the fighters. I've actually have worked some fights where they have changed their corners but I knew the fighters involved from working some of their previous fights.
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Adalaide Byrd: 97-93 for Erick Bone over Eddie Ramirez
Disgraceful
To highlight how STUNNINGLY off the mark this is. My scorecard was 100-90 for Eddie Ramirez
Disgraceful
To highlight how STUNNINGLY off the mark this is. My scorecard was 100-90 for Eddie Ramirez
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Waleska Roldan: 117-111 Horn over Pacquiao
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT
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ye this score made me think they buffer read the wrong name...gilgamesh wrote:Waleska Roldan: 117-111 Horn over Pacquiao
BULLSHIT
i still cant believe it... the corruption is so blatant.
the 115-113 scores were at least more reasonable lol
i still have pac winning 8-4 and could see 7-5.....but even a draw is really pushing it imo.
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Ken Bucher 79-73 Clark over Golub
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The breakdown of all the bad judges and referees on the previous page I'll do it again later on today. I'll update my list I did on Page 3 and edit it into the opening post that way we can keep the whole list updated, and easy to see without having to scour through the whole thread. I'll update the opening post every time we fill up a new page.
I almost feel like Tony Weeks should get a mark against him for the stoppage in the Ward/Kovalev 2 fight, but I suppose I'll leave him off for now, unless you guys think he should be added.
EDIT: I also made the updated list on the opening reflect the people that have been called out for stuff more than others. The more times you get called out for bad judging or officiating, the higher on the list you go.
It is NOT good to rank highly on this list
I almost feel like Tony Weeks should get a mark against him for the stoppage in the Ward/Kovalev 2 fight, but I suppose I'll leave him off for now, unless you guys think he should be added.
EDIT: I also made the updated list on the opening reflect the people that have been called out for stuff more than others. The more times you get called out for bad judging or officiating, the higher on the list you go.
It is NOT good to rank highly on this list