Watching the Watchers: Keeping tabs on Officials
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Watching the Watchers: Keeping tabs on Officials
I figure this thread was needed for us as fans to keep up with all the controversial stuff that goes on this sport. Nominate any questionable Referee or Judging performance that you can think of in this thread.
With all the questionable decisions and officiating we see in this sport this thread could obviously have a long shelf life, I personally think it should probably be stickied to the top of the page because you all know as well as I that the controversies just keep on coming in this sport.
Note: When you nominate an official. Be sure to point out what controversial decision or score they made that it is you're criticizing.
This thread can serve as TTR's questionable officiating database.
Updated after 7 Pages
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Referees
Laurence Cole (2)
Joe Cortez (2)
Jay Nady (2)
Larry Doggett
Vic Drakulich
Mickey Vann
Marlon Wright
Giuseppe Quartarone
Shawn Clark
Arthur Mercante Jr.
Russell Mora
Thomas Taylor
Judges
Robert Hoyle (6)
Jerry Roth (3)
Gale Van Hoy (2)
CJ Ross (2)
Glenn Feldman
Dave Moretti (3)
Ric Bays
Richard Green
Valerie Dorsett
Duane Ford
Jack Woodruff
Mickey Vann (The only official to be nominated to the Watch List as both a bad judge and a bad referee)
Franz Marti
Eugenia Williams
Larry O'Connell
Bob Logist
Glen Hamada
Keith MacDonald
Chuck Giampa
Michael Pernick
Peter Trematerra
John Wright
Beat Hausamann
Oren Shellenberger
Dennis Nelson
Tony Paolillo
Melvina Lathan
Steve Weisfeld (2)
Dale Grable
Bill Paige
Frank Lombardi (2)
Ron McNair
Pat Russell (2)
John Gradowski
Don Risher
Richard DeCarufel
Clark Sammartino
Adalaide Byrd (2)
Waleska Roldan
Ken Bucher
Richard Ocasio
Glenn Trowbridge (2)
George Hill
Raul Caiz Jr.
Tony Creb
Alexander Plumman
Joerg Milke (2)
Juergen Billhardt
Larry Hazzard Jr.
Doug Tucker
Jamie Garayua
Rosemary Gross
Mike Contreras
Jeff Sinnett
Bob LaFratte
Carlos Sucre
James Kinney
Chris Coakley
Kieran McCann
Marcus McDonnell
Tim Cheatham
Mustafa Erenay
Daniela Otten
Maurizio Rinauldo
Iko Bebic
Lou Moret
Andriy Baliasov
So thus far Robert Hoyle sits atop the shit list with more examples of his incompetence or corruption being given than of any other official.
Mickey Vann has the dubious honor of being the only official who has stunk it up as both a Referee and a Judge.
With all the questionable decisions and officiating we see in this sport this thread could obviously have a long shelf life, I personally think it should probably be stickied to the top of the page because you all know as well as I that the controversies just keep on coming in this sport.
Note: When you nominate an official. Be sure to point out what controversial decision or score they made that it is you're criticizing.
This thread can serve as TTR's questionable officiating database.
Updated after 7 Pages
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Full List
Referees
Laurence Cole (2)
Joe Cortez (2)
Jay Nady (2)
Larry Doggett
Vic Drakulich
Mickey Vann
Marlon Wright
Giuseppe Quartarone
Shawn Clark
Arthur Mercante Jr.
Russell Mora
Thomas Taylor
Judges
Robert Hoyle (6)
Jerry Roth (3)
Gale Van Hoy (2)
CJ Ross (2)
Glenn Feldman
Dave Moretti (3)
Ric Bays
Richard Green
Valerie Dorsett
Duane Ford
Jack Woodruff
Mickey Vann (The only official to be nominated to the Watch List as both a bad judge and a bad referee)
Franz Marti
Eugenia Williams
Larry O'Connell
Bob Logist
Glen Hamada
Keith MacDonald
Chuck Giampa
Michael Pernick
Peter Trematerra
John Wright
Beat Hausamann
Oren Shellenberger
Dennis Nelson
Tony Paolillo
Melvina Lathan
Steve Weisfeld (2)
Dale Grable
Bill Paige
Frank Lombardi (2)
Ron McNair
Pat Russell (2)
John Gradowski
Don Risher
Richard DeCarufel
Clark Sammartino
Adalaide Byrd (2)
Waleska Roldan
Ken Bucher
Richard Ocasio
Glenn Trowbridge (2)
George Hill
Raul Caiz Jr.
Tony Creb
Alexander Plumman
Joerg Milke (2)
Juergen Billhardt
Larry Hazzard Jr.
Doug Tucker
Jamie Garayua
Rosemary Gross
Mike Contreras
Jeff Sinnett
Bob LaFratte
Carlos Sucre
James Kinney
Chris Coakley
Kieran McCann
Marcus McDonnell
Tim Cheatham
Mustafa Erenay
Daniela Otten
Maurizio Rinauldo
Iko Bebic
Lou Moret
Andriy Baliasov
So thus far Robert Hoyle sits atop the shit list with more examples of his incompetence or corruption being given than of any other official.
Mickey Vann has the dubious honor of being the only official who has stunk it up as both a Referee and a Judge.
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Robert Hoyle: 97-93 for Maurice Hooker (Hooker vs Darleys Perez)
Glenn Feldman: 95-95 draw (Hooker vs Perez)
Both HIGHLY dubious scores
Glenn Feldman: 95-95 draw (Hooker vs Perez)
Both HIGHLY dubious scores
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Will be interesting to see how many times certain people are mentioned.
The fighters he's beaten aren't even household names in their own household.
"Never shall innocent blood be shed. Yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god."
"Never shall innocent blood be shed. Yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god."
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It's a sticky now.
The fighters he's beaten aren't even household names in their own household.
"Never shall innocent blood be shed. Yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god."
"Never shall innocent blood be shed. Yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god."
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Yep. each mention is a mark against them and the quality (or lack thereof) of their workPrimetyme199 wrote:Will be interesting to see how many times certain people are mentioned.
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I generally would want to point out times when the official got it completely wrong, even scoring for the wrong winner, but a case like this needs to be pointed out as well as it certainly suggests incompetence.
Dave Moretti: 114-113 Pacquiao (Pacquiao vs Jessie Vargas)
Nobody who saw that fight thinks it was anywhere near that close. Most of us had Pac winning 9 rounds minimum.
Dave Moretti: 114-113 Pacquiao (Pacquiao vs Jessie Vargas)
Nobody who saw that fight thinks it was anywhere near that close. Most of us had Pac winning 9 rounds minimum.
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Hoyle also had McDonnell beating Solis 9-3, Bey beating Vasquez 11-1, and Barthelemy beating Shafikov 11-1.
All WTF!? scores
All WTF!? scores
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So that's 4 marks against Robert Hoyle so far already.
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I don't think Harrold Ledderman hardly ever get's a fight right. How does he keep his job?
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He gets 'em right sometimes. I'm thinking more of official judges though. The guys who's scorecards actually count, and actually have negative consequences on the fighters.straycat wrote:I don't think Harrold Ledderman hardly ever get's a fight right. How does he keep his job?
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Ya I'm just throwing a lighter side out there.gilgamesh wrote:He gets 'em right sometimes. I'm thinking more of official judges though. The guys who's scorecards actually count, and actually have negative consequences on the fighters.straycat wrote:I don't think Harrold Ledderman hardly ever get's a fight right. How does he keep his job?
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Excellent idea and thread Gil
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I was mostly going to use this thread to keep up with any controversies going forward, but any examples of currently active judges giving controversial scores from the not too distant past are more than welcome for inclusion.
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Ric Bays 113-115, Richard Green 112-116, Valerie Dorsett 112-116 All for Barthelemy
from the Usmanee vs Barthelemy fight.....Everyone watching thought Barthelemy lost except these judges
from the Usmanee vs Barthelemy fight.....Everyone watching thought Barthelemy lost except these judges
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Roman Martinez SD Diego MagdelenoTocsin wrote:Hoyle also had McDonnell beating Solis 9-3, Bey beating Vasquez 11-1, and Barthelemy beating Shafikov 11-1.
All WTF!? scores
judges: Levi Martinez 115-112, Michael Pernick 114-113, Robert Hoyle 111-116
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Robert Hoyle also only awarded Cotto 2 rounds against Floyd Mayweather scoring the fight 118-110.
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Joan Guzman SD Ali Funeka
judges: Robert Hoyle 116-111, Steve Weisfeld 114-113, Duane Ford 113-114
judges: Robert Hoyle 116-111, Steve Weisfeld 114-113, Duane Ford 113-114
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Larry "Dog-Shit" Doggett, referee of John Riel Casimero vs Amnat Ruenroeng I. He allowed Ruenroeng to foul at will.
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Lawrence Cole.....
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Fuck Lawrence Colemarciano1952 wrote:Lawrence Cole.....
FUCK LAWRENCE COLE
FUCK VIC DRAKULICH
FUCK KENNY BAYLESS
FUCK DANA WHITE
FUCK BOTH CHARLO'S
FUCK TEXAS!!!!!!!!
FUCK VIC DRAKULICH
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And while we're at it let's throw Jay Nady in there too....soonermark890 wrote:Fuck Lawrence Colemarciano1952 wrote:Lawrence Cole.....
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Vic Drakulich is one of the most consistently awful referees I've ever seen. Gets involved as often as he possibly can often for no reason.
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Old school heads remember refs like Mills Lane back in the day..... He was the best ref ever.......
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So was Halprinchef97 wrote:Old school heads remember refs like Mills Lane back in the day..... He was the best ref ever.......
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That's because he was from Oklahoma.chef97 wrote:Old school heads remember refs like Mills Lane back in the day..... He was the best ref ever.......
FUCK LAWRENCE COLE
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