IBHOF Class of 2015 Announced

J.J.Dillon · Post by **J.J.Dillon** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:06 pm

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/boxin ... 10107.html

Heavyweight: Riddick Bowe
Heavyweight: Prince Naseem Hamed
Lightweight: Boom Boom Mancini
Light Flyweight: Yoko Gushiken

Ref: Smoger
Announcer: Lampley
Manager: Rafael Mendoza
Writer: Nigel Collins

gomez1012 · Post by **gomez1012** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:11 pm

Solid class.

kinggrissly · Post by **kinggrissly** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:20 pm

Bowe and Hamed should not have made it. I think Bowe deserved it more because he was better than Hamed and had two wins over a great fighter in an ATG trilogy(Holyfield). He's like Sonny Liston, very good for a short period of time. Liston's resume was a bit deeper, but Patterson was no Holyfield as a heavyweight.

WillieB59 · Post by **WillieB59** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:00 pm

Also posthumously Masao Ohba and Ken Overlin in the Old-Timer's Category and the publicist John F.X. Condon

A really solid class!

hardcorebee24 · Post by **hardcorebee24** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:31 pm

Anybody going up there this June? I may take the trip this year. I haven't been in a while, it's a hike for me. Good time though.

Primetyme199 · Post by **Primetyme199** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:10 pm

hardcorebee24 wrote:Anybody going up there this June? I may take the trip this year. I haven't been in a while, it's a hike for me. Good time though.

I'm thinking about it. I have never gone but want to. It all depends if I have a show to work or not.

hardcorebee24 · Post by **hardcorebee24** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:28 pm

Primetyme199 wrote:
hardcorebee24 wrote:Anybody going up there this June? I may take the trip this year. I haven't been in a while, it's a hike for me. Good time though.
I'm thinking about it. I have never gone but want to. It all depends if I have a show to work or not.

Cool, let me know and I'll do the same.

KSTAT124 · Post by **KSTAT124** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:47 am

RASTA666 · Post by **RASTA666** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:39 am

kinggrissly wrote:Bowe and Hamed should not have made it. I think Bowe deserved it more because he was better than Hamed and had two wins over a great fighter in an ATG trilogy(Holyfield). He's like Sonny Liston, very good for a short period of time. Liston's resume was a bit deeper, but Patterson was no Holyfield as a heavyweight.

One of the highlights of my boxing viewership was watching one of my favourite fighters in Mab beat him up but that does not mean he should not get in the Hall.

The only criteria the Hall has is that there is no criteria. Its been a Hall of mediocrity for years now and along the way it has forgotten about several that should have been inducted but who fall down or off the list as new names are added to the list each year.

Others get in and have gotten in just by winning a strap. Well he had three of them and was the recognized man (lineal) at that weight. That more then qualifies based on modern day standards used. Hell Bowe got in right along side him and Gatti recently got in.There are many others in there that do not have the accomplishments that he has.

He also gets big points for putting the featherweight division on the map in his era and increasing the marketability of others then and for years to come. Vasquez made 600 grand against Hamed, by far his biggest payday. This came immediately after he was stripped by the WBA for failing to fight Cermeno which was a Don King screw up. Had he not been stripped, Hamed would have went on to be the first undisputed champion since Saldivar in 1967. As it is he's the first unified one since Vincente. That alone also guarantees him a ticket. And if the Hall's entry was based on competition alone, it would be half empty. I hated the prick but I have no qualms about him getting in.

KSTAT124 · Post by **KSTAT124** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:03 am

What I like about this class is that some of the past "injustices" have been remedied- Overlin, Ohba, and Gushiken, previously unfairly overlooked, have been voted in.

There's still many more "Old-Timers" including Pone Kingpetch, Harry Jeffra, Gus Lesnevich, Ceferino Garcia, Yoshio Shirai, Betulio Gonzalez, Horacio Accavallo, Chartchai Chionoi, Hiroyuki Ebihara, and Tippy Larkin who should be in the IBHOF and aren't yet.

DBO · Post by **DBO** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:32 pm

I love that Hamed went in as a heavyweight.

Hillsinitialrebirth · Post by **Hillsinitialrebirth** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:46 pm

I love that Hamed went in as a heavyweight.

Hector Camacho Jr will soon follow suit....

TJB NY · Post by **TJB NY** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:49 pm

kinggrissly wrote:Bowe and Hamed should not have made it. I think Bowe deserved it more because he was better than Hamed and had two wins over a great fighter in an ATG trilogy(Holyfield). He's like Sonny Liston, very good for a short period of time. Liston's resume was a bit deeper, but Patterson was no Holyfield as a heavyweight.

Sonny Liston was very good for a long period of time. He just didn't have a lengthy reign as champion.

Bowe and Hamed, along with all of the other members of the Class of 2015, belong in the Hall. The voters did a very good job this year. Let's hope they continue to do as well in the future.

Hillsinitialrebirth · Post by **Hillsinitialrebirth** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:57 pm

Sonny Liston was very good for a long period of time. He just didn't have a lengthy reign as champion.

Bowe and Hamed, along with all of the other members of the Class of 2015, belong in the Hall. The voters did a very good job this year. Let's hope they continue to do as well in the future.

IMO...Bowe had HOF talent and potential, but not a HOF career.

Hamed was a HOF entertainer, but not a HOF fighter with a HOF career.

Things are really watered down nowadays....

DBO · Post by **DBO** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:42 pm

kinggrissly wrote:Bowe and Hamed should not have made it. I think Bowe deserved it more because he was better than Hamed and had two wins over a great fighter in an ATG trilogy(Holyfield). He's like Sonny Liston, very good for a short period of time. Liston's resume was a bit deeper, but Patterson was no Holyfield as a heavyweight.

I think Hamed is absolutely deserving.

kinggrissly · Post by **kinggrissly** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:03 pm

RASTA666 wrote: One of the highlights of my boxing viewership was watching one of my favourite fighters in Mab beat him up but that does not mean he should not get in the Hall.

The only criteria the Hall has is that there is no criteria. Its been a Hall of mediocrity for years now and along the way it has forgotten about several that should have been inducted but who fall down or off the list as new names are added to the list each year.

Others get in and have gotten in just by winning a strap. Well he had three of them and was the recognized man (lineal) at that weight. That more then qualifies based on modern day standards used. Hell Bowe got in right along side him and Gatti recently got in.There are many others in there that do not have the accomplishments that he has.

He also gets big points for putting the featherweight division on the map in his era and increasing the marketability of others then and for years to come. Vasquez made 600 grand against Hamed, by far his biggest payday. This came immediately after he was stripped by the WBA for failing to fight Cermeno which was a Don King screw up. Had he not been stripped, Hamed would have went on to be the first undisputed champion since Saldivar in 1967. As it is he's the first unified one since Vincente. That alone also guarantees him a ticket. And if the Hall's entry was based on competition alone, it would be half empty. I hated the prick but I have no qualms about him getting in.

One of my highlights as well, as I think you know. Somebody needs to start from scratch with the standard, "Would this guy be equivalent to, say, a Cooperstown inductee?" Cause that's what the general sports fan will infer. Gatti is in for a whole different reason, as I think he should be, but I'd rather ditch him than have it watered down like it is.

Vastud75 · Post by **Vastud75** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:06 pm

DBO wrote:I love that Hamed went in as a heavyweight.

I was thinking there was another Hamed for a minute..

J.J.Dillon · Post by **J.J.Dillon** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:24 pm

DBO wrote:I love that Hamed went in as a heavyweight.

That was me being a sarcastic ass.

RASTA666 · Post by **RASTA666** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:27 pm

kinggrissly wrote:
RASTA666 wrote: One of the highlights of my boxing viewership was watching one of my favourite fighters in Mab beat him up but that does not mean he should not get in the Hall.

The only criteria the Hall has is that there is no criteria. Its been a Hall of mediocrity for years now and along the way it has forgotten about several that should have been inducted but who fall down or off the list as new names are added to the list each year.

Others get in and have gotten in just by winning a strap. Well he had three of them and was the recognized man (lineal) at that weight. That more then qualifies based on modern day standards used. Hell Bowe got in right along side him and Gatti recently got in.There are many others in there that do not have the accomplishments that he has.

He also gets big points for putting the featherweight division on the map in his era and increasing the marketability of others then and for years to come. Vasquez made 600 grand against Hamed, by far his biggest payday. This came immediately after he was stripped by the WBA for failing to fight Cermeno which was a Don King screw up. Had he not been stripped, Hamed would have went on to be the first undisputed champion since Saldivar in 1967. As it is he's the first unified one since Vincente. That alone also guarantees him a ticket. And if the Hall's entry was based on competition alone, it would be half empty. I hated the prick but I have no qualms about him getting in.
One of my highlights as well, as I think you know. Somebody needs to start from scratch with the standard, "Would this guy be equivalent to, say, a Cooperstown inductee?" Cause that's what the general sports fan will infer. Gatti is in for a whole different reason, as I think he should be, but I'd rather ditch him than have it watered down like it is.

Totally agree like for starters actually having a standard arrived at by a criteria. Its easier it seems to get in now then at any time in history. Part of that "everybody gets a ribbon culture" we live in. Get any belt and you are in. Mancini most likely got in on the back of the same premise that got Gatti in.

Like KSTAT said the silver lining is people getting in that should have been in years ago.

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