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Woobase is compiling All-Time Greats lists for each of the divisions. He will post the lists in the "Boxing & General Discussions" forum and the lists will be copied and posted here as well.

TTR's Top 20 All-Time Great Heavyweights:

1) Muhammad Ali
2) Joe Louis
3) Larry Holmes
4) George Foreman
5) Lennox Lewis
6) Jack Dempsey
7) Jack Johnson
8) Rocky Marciano
9) James J. Jeffries
10) Wladimir Klitschko
11) Evander Holyfield
12) Joe Frazier
13) Vitali Klitschko
14) Sonny Liston
15) Gene Tunney
16) Mike Tyson
17) Floyd Patterson
18) Sam Langford
19) Ezzard Charles
20) Riddick Bowe

Others receiving votes: Jersey Joe Walcott, Bob Fitzsimmons, Max Baer, Ken Norton, James J. Corbett, Max Schmeling, Tommy Burns, Jack Sharkey, Earnie Shavers, Harry Wills, and Ingemar Johansson.

TTR's Top 10 All-Time Cruiserweights:

1- Evander Holyfield
2- Carlos De Leon
3- Juan Carlos Gomez
4- Johnny Nelson
5- David Haye
6- James Toney
7- Al Cole
8- Vassiliy Jirov
9- Dwight Muhammad Qawi
10- Jean-Marc Mormeck

Others receiving votes: Tomasz Adamek, Anaclet Wamba, Virgil Hill, O'Neil Bell, James Warring, Denis Lebedev, Carl Thompson, Nate Miller, Marco Huck, Guillermo Jones, and Steve Cunningham.

NOTE: Evander Holyfield was unanimous as #1 Cruiser of all time.

TTR's All-Time Top 20 Light Heavyweights:

1- Ezzard Charles
2- Archie Moore
3- Michael Spinks
4- Bob Foster
5- Gene Tunney
6- Harold Johnson
7- Roy Jones, Jr.
8- Billy Conn
9- Sam Langford
10- Matthew Saad Muhammad
11- Tommy Loughran
12- Maxie Rosenbloom
13- Jimmy Bivins
14- Bob Fitzsimmons
15- Victor Galindez
16- Harry Greb
17- Dwight Muhammad Qawi
18- Joey Maxim
19- John Henry Lewis
20- Bernard Hopkins

Just missing the cut: Marvin Johnson, Virgil Hill, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Dick Tiger, Jose Torres, Willie Pastrano, Michael Moorer, Tiger Flowers, Joe Calzaghe

NOTE: Ezzard Charles was voted unanimously as #1.

TTR's All-Time Top 10 Super Middleweights:

1 - Joe Calzaghe
2 - Roy Jones, Jr.
3 - James Toney
4 - Andre Ward
5 - Steve Collins
6 - Nigel Benn
7 - Chris Eubank
8 - Carl Froch
9 - Mikkel Kessler
10 - Sven Ottke

Just missing the cut: Thomas Hearns, Thulani Malinga, Frankie Liles, Eric Lucas, Sugar Ray Leonard, Lucian Bute

TTR's All-Time Top 20 Middleweights:

1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2- Harry Greb
3- Marvelous Marvin Hagler
4- Carlos Monzon
5- Mickey Walker
6- Bernard Hopkins
7- Stanley Ketchel
8- Gene Fullmer
9- Bob Fitzsimmons
10- Jake LaMotta (tie)
10- Dick Tiger (tie)
12- Marcel Cerdan
13- Tony Zale
14- Tiger Flowers
15- Charley Burley
16- Freddie Steele (tie)
16- James Toney (tie)
18- Joey Giardello
19- Ezzard Charles (tie)
19- Mike Gibbons (tie)

Just missing the cut: Tommy Ryan, Charles "Kid" McCoy, Thomas Hearns, Emile Griffith, Billy Conn
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Amazing Ezzard Charles is on three lists. What a fighter.
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Woobase is compiling All-Time Greats lists for each of the divisions. He will post the lists in the "Boxing & General Discussions" forum and the lists will be copied and posted here as well.

TTR'S All-Time Top 10 Super Welterweights/Junior Middleweights/Light Middleweights (154 lbs):

1. Thomas Hearns
2. Mike McCallum
3. Terry Norris
4. Julian Jackson
5. Winky Wright
6. Felix Trinidad
7. Wilfred Benitez
8. Oscar De La Hoya
9. Emile Griffith
10. Julio Cesar Vazquez

Just missing the cut: Laurent Boudouani, Gianfranco Rosi, Koichi Wajima, Sandro Mazzinghi, Ki-Soo Kim, and Nino Benvenuti.

TTR's Top 20 ALL-TIME GREAT WELTERWEIGHTS:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Barney Ross
5. Emile Griffith
6. Kid Gavilan
7. Thomas Hearns
8. Jimmy McLarnin
9. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
10. Barbados Joe Walcott
11. Mickey Walker
12. Pernell Whitaker
13. Carmen Basilio
14. Roberto Duran
15. Jack Britton
16. Ted "Kid" Lewis
17. Tommy Ryan
18. Charley Burley
19. Manny Pacquiao
20. Felix Trinidad

Just missing the cut: Floyd Mayweather, Luis Rodriguez, Wilfred Benitez, Oscar De La Hoya, Sugar Shane Mosley

NOTE: Sugar Ray Robinson was the unanimous choice for the #1 slot. Henry Armstrong beat out Sugar Ray Leonard by 1 point for second.

TTR's Top 15 All-Time Super Lightweights/Junior Welterweights/Light Welterweights (140 pounds):

Here is the TTR All-Time Top 15 Super Lightweights/Junior Welterweights (140 lbs):

1. Barney Ross
2. Julio Cesar Chavez, Sr.
3. Aaron Pryor
4. Tony Canzoneri
5. Nicolino Locche
6. Wilfred Benitez
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Jackie "Kid" Berg
9. Antonio "Kid Pambele" Cervantes
10. Duilio Loi
11. Ricky Hatton
12. Carlos Ortiz
13. Eddie Perkins
14. Miguel Cotto
15. Meldrick Taylor

Just missing the cut: Floyd Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya, Bruno Arcari
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Do you guys really think Louis beats Holmes, Foreman, or Lewis?
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ObJuan13 wrote:Do you guys really think Louis beats Holmes, Foreman, or Lewis?
I think Most here tend to go off Resume's or a Combination of Resume and H2H(like Myself).....so these list are based off more than just H2H
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marciano1952 wrote:
ObJuan13 wrote:Do you guys really think Louis beats Holmes, Foreman, or Lewis?
I think Most here tend to go off Resume's or a Combination of Resume and H2H(like Myself).....so these list are based off more than just H2H
I hear you, but even then I don't see how that puts him ahead of a guy like Foreman. Like you, I also rank based off of resume as well as H2H, but at a certain point it's just too much. Louis gets smoked by Holmes, Lewis and Foreman. I don't think he could go 12 let alone 15 with any of them. If it were a p4p thing then I can see him being ranked higher than the big HWs like Foreman and Lewis, but as it stands I don't see why he'd be 2nd.
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And Pac ahead of Trinidad at WW is criminal. Hell, guys like Donald Curry and Oscar De La Hoya didn't even make the cut.
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Woobase is compiling All-Time Greats lists for each of the divisions. He will post the lists in the "Boxing & General Discussions" forum and the lists will be copied and posted here as well.

TTR's All-Time Top 20 Lightweights:

1 - Roberto Duran (1)
1 - Benny Leonard (1)
2 - Joe Gans (3)
3 - Henry Armstrong (4)
4 - Ike Williams (5)
5 - Tony Canzoneri (5)
5 - Carlos Ortiz (5)
5 - Pernell Whitaker (8)
6 - Barney Ross (9)
7 - Sammy Angott (10)
8 - Lou Ambers (11)
9 - Sugar Shane Mosley (12)
10 - Beau Jack (13)
11 - Alexis Arguello (14)
12 - Julio Cesar Chavez (15)
13 - Esteban DeJesus (16)
14 - Bob Montgomery (17)
15 - Freddie Welsh (18)
16 - Packy McFarland (19)
17 - Ken Buchanan (20)
18 - Battling Nelson (xx)
19 - Ismael Laguna (xx)
20 - Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (xx)

Just Missing the Cut: Joe Brown, Jack Blackburn, Lew Tendler, Hector Camacho

"NOTE: Because we had several 'ties' in the voting, as evident in the first place tie between Duran and Leonard (and also a three way tie for 5th place between Canzoneri, Ortiz and Whitaker), I elected to rank a total of 23 fighters in our top 20 (but also listed, in parenthesis, the actual rankings if we did only 20 fighters). If that makes sense?"- Woobase
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In 2013, Woobase started compiling TTR's All-Time Divisional Rankings. As you see, he completed the rankings for the nine heaviest weight classes. I've picked up where he left off and over the next few months, I'll compile our rankings for the eight lightest weight categories starting with:

TTR'S ALL-TIME JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHT/SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TOP 15:

1. Alexis Arguello
2. Azumah Nelson
3. Julio Cesar Chavez
4 (tie). Flash Elorde
4 (tie). Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
6. Kid Chocolate
7. Hiroshi Kobayashi
8. Samuel Serrano
9. Brian Mitchell
10 (tie). Rocky Lockridge
10 (tie). Tony "The Tiger" Lopez
12 (tie). Genaro Hernandez
12 (tie). Jesse James Leija
14 (tie). John John Molina
14 (tie). Manny Pacquiao

Others receiving points:

16 (tie). Diego Corrales, 16 (tie). Yoshiaki Numata, 18 (tie). Alfredo Escalera, 18 (tie). Kuniaki Shibata, 20 (tie). Benny Bass, 20 (tie). Arturo Gatti, 22 (tie). Bobby Chacon, 22 (tie). Acelino Freitas, 24 (tie). Johnny Dundee, 24 (tie). Ben Villaflor
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TTR'S ALL-TIME TOP TWENTY FEATHERWEIGHTS:

1. Willie Pep
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Alexis Arguello
5. Johnny Dundee
6. Johnny Kilbane
7. Abe Attell
8. Salvador Sanchez
9. KId Chocolate
10. Vicente Saldivar
11. Eder Jofre
12. George Dixon
13. Jim "Jem" Driscoll
14. Terry McGovern
15. Azumah Nelson
16. Baby Arizmendi
17. Tony Canzoneri
18. Chalky Wright
19. Manny Pacquiao
20. Marco Antonio Barrera

Others receiving points:

21. Sugar Ramos; 22. (tie) Young Griffo; 22 (tie) Prince Naseem Hamed; 22 (tie) Danny "Little Red" Lopez; 25 (tie) Freddie Miller; 25 (tie) Owen Moran; 27. Davey Moore; 28. Eusebio Pedroza
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TTR's TOP 15 ALL-TIME JUNIOR FEATHERWEIGHTS/SUPER BANTAMWEIGHTS:

1. Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez
2. Erik Morales
3. Marco Antonio Barrera
4. Israel Vazquez
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Jeff Fenech
7. Daniel Zaragoza
8. Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. Kennedy McKinney
10. Celestino Caballero
11. Nonito Donaire
12. Vuyani Bungu
13. Antonio Cermeno
14. Wilfredo Vazquez
15. Oscar Larios

Honorable Mention: Toshiaki Nishioka, Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, Welcome Ncita, Sergio Palma, Juan Manuel Lopez, Ji-Won Kim
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TTR's TOP 20 ALL-TIME BANTAMWEIGHTS:

1. Eder Jofre
2. Ruben Olivares
3. Panama Al Brown
4. Fighting Harada
5. Pete (Kid) Herman
6. Manuel Ortiz
7. Carlos Zarate
8. Kid Williams
9. (tie) Jeff Chandler
9. (tie) Joe Lynch
11. Rafael Marquez
12. Terry McGovern
13. George Dixon
14. Lupe Pintor
15. Memphis Pal Moore
16. Charles (Bud) Taylor
17. Sixto Escobar
18. Orlando Canizales
19. Johnny Coulon
20. Jimmy Barry

Others receiving points: 21. Jose Becerra; 22. Veeraphol Sahaprom (AKA Veeraphol Nakornluang); 23. Tim Austin; 24. Johnny Tapia; 25. Lionel Rose; 26. (tie) Joe Medel, Jimmy Walsh; 28. Abe Goldstein; 29. (tie) Frankie Burns, Jeff Fenech, Junior "Poison" Jones, Lou Salica, Alfonso Zamora; 34. (tie) Nonito Donaire, Rafael Herrera, Jorge Eliecer Julio; 37. (tie) Paulie Ayala, Chucho Castillo
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TTR's ALL-TIME TOP TEN SUPER FLYWEIGHTS/JUNIOR BANTAMWEIGHTS:

1. Khaosai Galaxy
2. Gilberto Roman
3. (tie) Johnny Tapia
3. (tie) Jiro Watanabe
5. Masamori Tokuyama
6. Vic Darchinyan
7. Sung Kil Moon
8. Cristian Mijares
9. In-Joo Cho
10. (tie) Martin Castillo
10. (tie) Fernando Montiel
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Man I Love you guys' list. I might agree with the placement of everybody, but for the most part I'm board with what you chose, and I'm sure several opinions were taken before you decided. I'm curious as to what difference my thoughts would've made on some of them, but overall I think you guys are on the money more often than not.
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TTR's TOP 20 ALL-TIME FLYWEIGHTS:

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Pancho Villa
3. Pascual Perez
4. Benny Lynch
5. Miguel Canto
6 (tie). Frankie Genaro
6 (tie). Fidel LaBarba
8. Midget Wolgast
9. Pone Kingpetch
10. Peter Kane
11. Fighting Harada
12. Masao Ohba
13 (tie). Jimmy Barry
13 (tie). Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
15. Horacio Accavallo
16. Jackie Patterson
17. Hiroyuki Ebihara
18. Nonito Donaire
19. Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson
20. Betulio Gonzalez

Others receiving points: 21. Shoji Oguma, 22. Chatchai Chionoi
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TTR's ALL-TIME TOP 15 LIGHT FLYWEIGHTS/JUNIOR FLYWEIGHTS:

1. Jung-Koo Chang
2. (tie) Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez
2. (tie) Myung Woo Yuh
4. Michael Carbajal
5. Hilario Zapata
6. Yoko Gushiken
7. Luis "Lumumba" Estaba
8. Jorge Arce
9. Saman Sorjaturong
10. (tie) Jacob "Baby Jake" Matlala
10. (tie) Edgar Sosa
12. Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez
13. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
14. (tie) Joey Olivo
14. (tie) Ulises Solis

Others receiving points: 16. Donnie Nietes, 17. (tie) Melchor Cob Castro, 17. (tie) Giovani Segura, 19. (tie) Ivan Calderon, 19. (tie) Rolando Pascua
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TTR's ALL-TIME TOP TEN MINIMUMWEIGHTS/MINI-FLYWEIGHTS/STRAWWEIGHTS:

1. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
2. (tie) Rosendo Alvarez
2. (tie) Ivan Calderon
4. Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez
5. Eagle Den Junlapan (AKA Eagle Akakura; AKA Eagle Kyowa)
6. Katsunari Takayama
7. Leo Gamez
8. Donnie Nietes
9. Yutaka Niida
10. (tie) Jose Antonio Aguirre
10. (tie) Muhammad Rachman

Also receiving a point: #12. Ratanapol Sor Vorapin

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