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Pat Russell 96-92 Corales over Castellanos
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marciano1952 wrote:Pat Russell 96-92 Corales over Castellanos
That was questionable...I'm not sure if it was indefensible necessarily, but it's a stretch.
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Richard Ocasio

79-73 for J'Leon Love over Abie Han (I had it 78-75 Han)

Glenn Trowbridge

116-111 Gavril over David Benavidez (I had it 115-112 for Benavidez...Benavidez was the clear winner in a competitive fight)
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Adalaide Byrd: 118-110 Canelo

FUCKING DISGUSTING!!!!
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Stefan Haertel vs Viktor Polyakov

Alexander Plumanns: 95-95
Joerg Milke: 96-94
Juergen Billhardt: 96-94
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Glenn Trowbridge

95-95 draw in the Keandre Gibson vs Alejandro Barrera fight

Gibson thankfully got the nod on the other 2 scorecards. It should've been Unanimous. He was the clear winner.
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Though the fight was quite a few years ago at this point Astor reminded me of it in a thread on the Main section of the forum.

Raul Caiz Jr. and Tony Crebs definitely gave unforgivable scorecards in the Escandon-Tyson Cave fight.

Tyson Cave won that fight going away
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marciano1952 wrote:Ken Bucher 79-73 Clark over Golub
add Jamie Garayua 77-75 Clark and Rosemary Gross 77-75 Clark

Clear win for Golub in my opinion, with three bad cards, although 7-1 is downright atrocious. I think they were going to rematch but it fell through for some reason. Been some really bad judging in Toledo, with Clark's fellow Ohio fighter Robert Easter getting ludicrous 12-0 cards against Shafikov (from Eugene Grant and Jamie Garayua).

Actually Garayua was a judge in the Clark and Easter fights, so watch out for that homer in the future.
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Giuseppe Quartarone

Abysmal performance as referee in the Joshua-Parker fight.
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referee: Shawn Clark

In all my years of watching Boxing I've never seen a referee do what Clark did here. In the Jesse Hart vs Demond Nicholson fight. He rules a knockdown. Counted 1 thru 6...stopped the count to talk to Nicholson, then count 7 and 8...then stopped the count and just said "Get up, Get up" twice to Nicholson.

Absolutely unacceptable. It should've been 9, 10...YOU'RE OUT

There's no discussion to be had with a downed fighter. Either he gets up or he doesn't. Whether or not it looks like he COULD continue is irrelevant. This was flat out unacceptable, and I hope Clark was reprimanded intensely for his performance here. If he'd do this again, he has no business ever refereeing another bout...hell the fact that he'd need to be explained this in the first place means he probably should've never become a referee.
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6q785k -Thomas Mattice vs Zhora Hamazaryan (20-07-2018) Full Fight


Blatant robbery, Mike Contreras 76-75 | Jeff Sinnett 76-75 both for Mattice
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Laurence cole:

Telling jmm he was ahead if he elected not to continue due to headbutt cut... he was suapended for that

Burns v figueora is quite diagusting how he kept grabbing burns arm

Letting saldio get away with numetous low blows against lomachenko

Called slip knockdown in pac v barera




Cole is so bad i can only remember one fight i thiught he did an adequate job. That being maidana v broner
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gilgamesh wrote:Adalaide Byrd: 118-110 Canelo

FUCKING DISGUSTING!!!!
That is one of the worst scores I have seen.
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Canvas wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:Adalaide Byrd: 118-110 Canelo

FUCKING DISGUSTING!!!!
That is one of the worst scores I have seen.
She should NEVER judge a fight again.....it really is that simple.
But of course she's already back in action which speaks volumes about the corruption that is at play in Nevada surrounding Clenelo.
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Cagiva9 wrote:https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6q785k -Thomas Mattice vs Zhora Hamazaryan (20-07-2018) Full Fight


Blatant robbery, Mike Contreras 76-75 | Jeff Sinnett 76-75 both for Mattice
I was about to mention this one. Glad somebody already had, I had it DVR'd from when I was on vacation, just watched it last night...absolutely despicable. Hamazaryan dropped the guy, hurt him multiple times, and won AT LEAST 6 of the 8 rounds.

Just despicable.
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Adalaide Byrd-118 to 110 for Canelo vs GGG
On fight night Canelo weighed 177 pound and GGG weighed 168.2. But Canelo says the fight for his 160 pound belt must be at 155 pounds. She should just give her belt to GGG now and move on.
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Doug tucker...

Navarro 120 to 108 over mijares

Other judges had it correctly as mijares won a clear decision 117 to 111 and 115 to 113.

Tucker didnt give mijares a single round

Had jmmm winning 10 rounds against mab.... it was a close fight that maquez seemed to edge.

I think he retired though
...thank god
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gilgamesh wrote:
mannymac wrote:Frank Lombardi and Ron McNair both had Joel Casamayor winning 114 - 113 over Jose Armando Santa Cruz.

That is the worst robbery I have ever seen. Santa Cruz got screwed big time.
I never got to see that fight, but a friend of mine saw it and agreed Santa Cruz was screwed royally. I'll have to go back and catch that one at some point.
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It was a terrible decision
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gilgamesh wrote:From the Ike Quartey vs Vernon Forrest fight (which I just added to the Controversial Fights section along with my score)

96-93 Forrest (Judge: Tony Paolillo)
95-94 Forrest (Judge: Melvina Lathan)
95-94 Forrest (Judge: Steve Weisfeld)
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Quartey has been shafted a few times. I felt like he clearly beat Vernon Forrest.
"My belt says the heavyweight champ of the world!"(Wilder)
"So does his, and he has a couple of them" (Jim Gray, *in reference to Anthony Joshua)
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Bertel1 wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:From the Ike Quartey vs Vernon Forrest fight (which I just added to the Controversial Fights section along with my score)

96-93 Forrest (Judge: Tony Paolillo)
95-94 Forrest (Judge: Melvina Lathan)
95-94 Forrest (Judge: Steve Weisfeld)
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Quartey has been shafted a few times. I felt like he clearly beat Vernon Forrest.
I felt he definitely did too. As I recall I had it 97-92 Quartey. He had gotten knocked down in the fight I believe, but other than that, he controlled almost every round. This was really the only time I thought Quartey got screwed honestly. The De La Hoya fight was close, but I thought De La Hoya deserved it by a point due to his 12th round rally.

He definitely got screwed against Vernon though.
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gilgamesh wrote:
Bertel1 wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:From the Ike Quartey vs Vernon Forrest fight (which I just added to the Controversial Fights section along with my score)

96-93 Forrest (Judge: Tony Paolillo)
95-94 Forrest (Judge: Melvina Lathan)
95-94 Forrest (Judge: Steve Weisfeld)
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Quartey has been shafted a few times. I felt like he clearly beat Vernon Forrest.
I felt he definitely did too. As I recall I had it 97-92 Quartey. He had gotten knocked down in the fight I believe, but other than that, he controlled almost every round. This was really the only time I thought Quartey got screwed honestly. The De La Hoya fight was close, but I thought De La Hoya deserved it by a point due to his 12th round rally.

He definitely got screwed against Vernon though.
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Ike was usually the lesser known fighter in the notable matchups. Not that it excuses been duped, just saying we have seen how that can turn out when the scores are tallied. Forrest wouldn't even touch gloves before the start of the first round for whatever reason.
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jeff_lacy_ko wrote:Doug tucker...

Navarro 120 to 108 over mijares

Other judges had it correctly as mijares won a clear decision 117 to 111 and 115 to 113.

Tucker didnt give mijares a single round

Had jmmm winning 10 rounds against mab.... it was a close fight that maquez seemed to edge.

I think he retired though
...thank god
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I also felt like Marquez's win over Barrera was debatable. Judges had it scored like it wasnt even competitive. Adding Nady blows the clear knockdown while in perfect position to see Marquez get hit and go down?!
"My belt says the heavyweight champ of the world!"(Wilder)
"So does his, and he has a couple of them" (Jim Gray, *in reference to Anthony Joshua)
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George hill:

Flores 118 to 110 over wilson ( wilson seemed to win a close decision)

Scored kan v peterson for lamont. Most cards of media and an official judge had it for khan
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Bertel1 wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
mannymac wrote:Frank Lombardi and Ron McNair both had Joel Casamayor winning 114 - 113 over Jose Armando Santa Cruz.

That is the worst robbery I have ever seen. Santa Cruz got screwed big time.
I never got to see that fight, but a friend of mine saw it and agreed Santa Cruz was screwed royally. I'll have to go back and catch that one at some point.
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It was a terrible decision
Yes that was one of the worst robberies I have seen as well. That was on ESPN wasn't it?
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Larry Hazzard Jr: 119/108 - Charlo/Korobov...wtf?

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